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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,702
    edited July 2022

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    Curious.
    Is displaying a cleavage now flashing?

    Not if you don't look at it.

    It is well meaning simpleton wokey politics. A bit like the clusterfcuk they are making about male/female spaces.

    Fancy hanging out in women's toilets or changing rooms at the gym? Well then, identify as a woman for a day.
    Not sure equating people in the background of photographs of other things with some bloke perving on a crowded train is that useful. Criminal law seems to be able to distinguish intentional harm from accident in plenty of other complex areas so not sure you need to worry so much.

    Also, they are proposing to extend existing legislation in E&W, too. Are you saying Patel is woke?
    Oh well if Priti Patel is doing it, it must be good.

    Read what I wrote. The idea is fine - basically to stop revenge porn, but if the consequences is to inadvertently capture lots of things that are perfectly reasonable, it might be a problem.
    No, but I don't think anyone would accuse her of being woke. I am suggesting the consequence is entirely imaginary. The law already exists: they are just proposing to tweak the definition. For a start the justice system has all but ground to a halt so amending the definition of one crime is not going to lead to a flood of wrongful prosecutions.
    There's a whole debate there about overuse of secondary legislation.

    And no, it's not terribly important in the grand scheme of things. And no, Priti Patel is not woke. But the SNP are trying to be (except when supporting MPs accused of sexual misconduct).

    But someone somewhere will fall foul of a badly written piece of legislation eventually. It is in the nature of bad legislation to cause this.

    It is more likely to have a similar noticable effect as the one that prevents you from filming the school play your child is in. In that case, to prevent abusive images, all images of children become problematic. Although it wasnt intended that someone filming the school play might be considered to be acquiring paedophilic images, best be on the safe side now....

    That was the sort of thing that I was thinking of, along with the more recent GDPR requirement for individual opt-in photo permission. Sooner or later, someone will see how far they can test the law's specifics.
    Nothing wrong with that. I don't think schools should be publishing photos of any kids, but if other parents are happy to consent, so be it.

    It's an interesting one. Try telling parents that they can't take a snap of their child in the angel costume in the nativity play.

    And try taking photos of a stadium concert without showing audience faces.

    As ever, somewhere in the middle, between outright ban and complete freedom, there's a woolly happy medium. Writing that into enforcible statute is hard. And enforcing it is even harder.
    I don't have a problem with other parents taking pictures. I have a problem with a school doing it and publishing the photos.
    we had a consent form so it was our choice if the school published pics of our kids
    So do we, but they don't seem to have a fool proof mechanism in place to ensure compliance as it relies on the teachers remembering who is on the no photo list.

    Apparently, the reason they are so keen to publish photos of kids is because it forms part of OFSTED's assessment. Sadly, I don't get to argue with OFSTED about this.
    in one class we must have been in a tiny minority to approve as she was in nearly every photo
    If you've had any material interaction with a social media company you wouldn't be approving....

    The internet is not a good place to have pics of your kids floating about.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,553
    That there were 9 years between 1900 and 2002 were the UK had temperatures above 35 degrees but since 2003 we have already had 7 years where that temperature has been reached.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,622
    Pross said:

    That there were 9 years between 1900 and 2002 were the UK had temperatures above 35 degrees but since 2003 we have already had 7 years where that temperature has been reached.

    How many were in the 90s?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,254

    Pross said:

    That there were 9 years between 1900 and 2002 were the UK had temperatures above 35 degrees but since 2003 we have already had 7 years where that temperature has been reached.

    How many were in the 90s?
    Two.

    1906, 1911, 1923, 1932, 1948, 1957, 1976, 1990, 1995.

    Then 2003, 2006, 2015, 2018, 2019, 2020 plus 2022 next week?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,622

    Pross said:

    That there were 9 years between 1900 and 2002 were the UK had temperatures above 35 degrees but since 2003 we have already had 7 years where that temperature has been reached.

    How many were in the 90s?
    Two.

    1906, 1911, 1923, 1932, 1948, 1957, 1976, 1990, 1995.

    Then 2003, 2006, 2015, 2018, 2019, 2020 plus 2022 next week?
    Thanks. Interesting. My memory is that the 90s were hot and the summers have been rubbish for a long time. Highly likely to be an age related observation.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,776
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,553

    Pross said:

    That there were 9 years between 1900 and 2002 were the UK had temperatures above 35 degrees but since 2003 we have already had 7 years where that temperature has been reached.

    How many were in the 90s?
    Two.

    1906, 1911, 1923, 1932, 1948, 1957, 1976, 1990, 1995.

    Then 2003, 2006, 2015, 2018, 2019, 2020 plus 2022 next week?
    Thanks. Interesting. My memory is that the 90s were hot and the summers have been rubbish for a long time. Highly likely to be an age related observation.
    My memory of growing up in the 80s was that anything over mid 20s was classed by the tabloids as 'phew, what a scorcher' and don't really remember seeing 30+ degrees on forecasts whereas recently they seem to come up a few times a year. Interesting that there were no years in the 80s where 35 was hit which might reinforce that memory. I remember '89 as being quite hot (it was the summer I left school and I had a cracking tan when I started work in teh September).

    I'm sure the climate change deniers will have an explanation.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,630
    edited July 2022
    It is just sun spot activity.

    I remember 28-30 being fairly common, but 35+ not. The climate up here now is not dissimilar to the climate in the SE 40 years ago, in my experience. We used to get snow, but not for long, frost on the inside of single glazed windows and mis 20s temperatures.
    In the summer. Other than it being windier, that's like Edinburgh now.

    Now I the SE 30-35 is routine in the summer and snow is so rare I imagine you need to explain what it is to 8 year olds who've never seen it before.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,622

    It is just sun spot activity.

    I remember 28-30 being fairly common, but 35+ not. The climate up here now is not dissimilar to the climate in the SE 40 years ago, in my experience. We used to get snow, but not for long, frost on the inside of single glazed windows and mis 20s temperatures.
    In the summer. Other than it being windier, that's like Edinburgh now.

    Now I the SE 30-35 is routine in the summer and snow is so rare I imagine you need to explain what it is to 8 year olds who've never seen it before.

    I've certainly experience a lot more snow in the last 15 years than in the 15 years before that.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,702

    It is just sun spot activity.

    I remember 28-30 being fairly common, but 35+ not. The climate up here now is not dissimilar to the climate in the SE 40 years ago, in my experience. We used to get snow, but not for long, frost on the inside of single glazed windows and mis 20s temperatures.
    In the summer. Other than it being windier, that's like Edinburgh now.

    Now I the SE 30-35 is routine in the summer and snow is so rare I imagine you need to explain what it is to 8 year olds who've never seen it before.

    I've certainly experience a lot more snow in the last 15 years than in the 15 years before that.

    Easy to forget how far north Europe is compared to say the US/Canada.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,622

    It is just sun spot activity.

    I remember 28-30 being fairly common, but 35+ not. The climate up here now is not dissimilar to the climate in the SE 40 years ago, in my experience. We used to get snow, but not for long, frost on the inside of single glazed windows and mis 20s temperatures.
    In the summer. Other than it being windier, that's like Edinburgh now.

    Now I the SE 30-35 is routine in the summer and snow is so rare I imagine you need to explain what it is to 8 year olds who've never seen it before.

    I've certainly experience a lot more snow in the last 15 years than in the 15 years before that.

    Easy to forget how far north Europe is compared to say the US/Canada.
    It hasn't moved much in that time frame.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,702
    Gulf stream may have ;-)
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,630

    It is just sun spot activity.

    I remember 28-30 being fairly common, but 35+ not. The climate up here now is not dissimilar to the climate in the SE 40 years ago, in my experience. We used to get snow, but not for long, frost on the inside of single glazed windows and mis 20s temperatures.
    In the summer. Other than it being windier, that's like Edinburgh now.

    Now I the SE 30-35 is routine in the summer and snow is so rare I imagine you need to explain what it is to 8 year olds who've never seen it before.

    I've certainly experience a lot more snow in the last 15 years than in the 15 years before that.

    Seriously?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,553

    It is just sun spot activity.

    I remember 28-30 being fairly common, but 35+ not. The climate up here now is not dissimilar to the climate in the SE 40 years ago, in my experience. We used to get snow, but not for long, frost on the inside of single glazed windows and mis 20s temperatures.
    In the summer. Other than it being windier, that's like Edinburgh now.

    Now I the SE 30-35 is routine in the summer and snow is so rare I imagine you need to explain what it is to 8 year olds who've never seen it before.

    I've certainly experience a lot more snow in the last 15 years than in the 15 years before that.

    Seriously?
    2009/10, 2010/11 and 2018 all had snowfall that was worse than anything I can remember other than 1982.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    I think so. It certainly feels like the winters are more extreme.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,254
    Since I bought some Yaktrax I've not seen any snow. Been several years now.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,630
    edited July 2022
    I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that if you look at met office averages, the winters are less extreme.

    Over to the keen people to verify or show I'm entirely wrong.

    Edit: I typed lomb and it autocorrected to lombok. What the hell is that?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,553

    I'm going to go out on a lombok and predict that if you look at met office averages, the winters are less extreme.

    Over to the keen people to verify or show I'm entirely wrong.

    I think they've been warmer but we've had more frequent heavy snowfalls.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,622
    Who can forget the beast from the east?

    It's definitely a subject matter that would be helped by stats, but I can't find any.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,630
    I looked at Jan and Feb averages for Heathrow for 1961-1990, and 1991-2020.

    Ave max temp up by about 1.5C, rainfall slightly higher, days of frost down from about 10 each month to 7.

    It is possible that you are seeing fewer more extreme weather events, but overall unquestionably milder.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,630
    Could also be urban expansion of course.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,553

    Who can forget the beast from the east?

    It's definitely a subject matter that would be helped by stats, but I can't find any.

    Same here, thought it would be easy to find a graph showing number of snow days or total snowfall by year for London but nothing on my search.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,622
    Here's one. From

    https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=A148835276FAFDEE!966&ithint=file,xlsx&authkey=!ACSMsNs8ZZTujUw

    85 days of snow lying in the last 15 year versus 48 days in the 15 years before that.

    image
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,630
    Damn the 80s were cold.

    Since then its really just those two freak winders in 09 and 10. Those were awesome.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,630

    Damn the 80s were cold.

    Since then its really just those two freak winders in 09 and 10. Those were awesome.

    Winters.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,622

    I looked at Jan and Feb averages for Heathrow for 1961-1990, and 1991-2020.

    Ave max temp up by about 1.5C, rainfall slightly higher, days of frost down from about 10 each month to 7.

    It is possible that you are seeing fewer more extreme weather events, but overall unquestionably milder.

    I think this is true. Plus better May/June and terrible Augusts.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,866

    Since I bought some Yaktrax I've not seen any snow. Been several years now.

    Do you live in Jamaica?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,254

    Since I bought some Yaktrax I've not seen any snow. Been several years now.

    Do you live in Jamaica?
    I mean real snow that hangs around long enough to possibly need to use yaktrax.

    Maybe they did come out once last year, my memory's a wasteland.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,630

    Since I bought some Yaktrax I've not seen any snow. Been several years now.

    Do you live in Jamaica?
    I mean real snow that hangs around long enough to possibly need to use yaktrax.

    Maybe they did come out once last year, my memory's a wasteland.
    Yaktrax are clearly working. You should buy an umbrella as well.