BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Great. Lucky you. It's a pain in *rse for my industry. Nothing insurmountable: just that everything takes longer and costs more.Stevo_666 said:
Not really, it makes no difference to me and to most people apart from a small hard-core who can't let it go.rick_chasey said:Stevo would be crowing like mad if it wasn’t all iterations of bad news
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As I mentioned above...rjsterry said:
Great. Lucky you. It's a pain in *rse for my industry. Nothing insurmountable: just that everything takes longer and costs more.Stevo_666 said:
Not really, it makes no difference to me and to most people apart from a small hard-core who can't let it go.rick_chasey said:Stevo would be crowing like mad if it wasn’t all iterations of bad news
Anyway, its done now and I'm not clear how interminable moaning will help?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's started. It's not done. As I say, the effects are a bit more present for some of us than others. It's great that you are able to forget about it.Stevo_666 said:
As I mentioned above...rjsterry said:
Great. Lucky you. It's a pain in *rse for my industry. Nothing insurmountable: just that everything takes longer and costs more.Stevo_666 said:
Not really, it makes no difference to me and to most people apart from a small hard-core who can't let it go.rick_chasey said:Stevo would be crowing like mad if it wasn’t all iterations of bad news
Anyway, its done now and I'm not clear how interminable moaning will help?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Helps remember when next voting for government?Stevo_666 said:
As I mentioned above...rjsterry said:
Great. Lucky you. It's a pain in *rse for my industry. Nothing insurmountable: just that everything takes longer and costs more.Stevo_666 said:
Not really, it makes no difference to me and to most people apart from a small hard-core who can't let it go.rick_chasey said:Stevo would be crowing like mad if it wasn’t all iterations of bad news
Anyway, its done now and I'm not clear how interminable moaning will help?0 -
Given all your chat beforehand about the deal etc I refuse to believe you are not interested in the reality of the deal they you were so keen to discuss for 4 years.Stevo_666 said:
As I mentioned above...rjsterry said:
Great. Lucky you. It's a pain in *rse for my industry. Nothing insurmountable: just that everything takes longer and costs more.Stevo_666 said:
Not really, it makes no difference to me and to most people apart from a small hard-core who can't let it go.rick_chasey said:Stevo would be crowing like mad if it wasn’t all iterations of bad news
Anyway, its done now and I'm not clear how interminable moaning will help?
I stand by the fact if the UK was massively outperforming everyone else and people were pointing to Brexit as why, you’d be much more vocal.
Unfortunately the reality is not that so rather than admit it you try to either diminish the cost (more expensive than rona fwiw) or say “it’s over” in order to avoid the reality.0 -
Playbook.
1. In advance - It'll be great/you can't compare parallel universes.
2. Current - It's too early to tell/you can't compare parallel universes.
3. After the fact - It's over, move on/you can't compare parallel universes.
4. Never, ever, criticise the tories.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
A strong message for Lord Frost thereStevo_666 said:
As I mentioned above...rjsterry said:
Great. Lucky you. It's a pain in *rse for my industry. Nothing insurmountable: just that everything takes longer and costs more.Stevo_666 said:
Not really, it makes no difference to me and to most people apart from a small hard-core who can't let it go.rick_chasey said:Stevo would be crowing like mad if it wasn’t all iterations of bad news
Anyway, its done now and I'm not clear how interminable moaning will help?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Yep, it’s all done. Frost, the Brexiteers and the DUP should just suck it up, get on with things and stop moaning. Why are they even discussing it? It’s done.tailwindhome said:
A strong message for Lord Frost thereStevo_666 said:
As I mentioned above...rjsterry said:
Great. Lucky you. It's a pain in *rse for my industry. Nothing insurmountable: just that everything takes longer and costs more.Stevo_666 said:
Not really, it makes no difference to me and to most people apart from a small hard-core who can't let it go.rick_chasey said:Stevo would be crowing like mad if it wasn’t all iterations of bad news
Anyway, its done now and I'm not clear how interminable moaning will help?0 -
The only time we can really judge whether Brexit was a success or a failure is still a long way off.
This is like calling a Covid vaccine a failure as you have a sore arm the day after getting it.
I voted against it and have seen nothing that makes me think that was the wrong call but ... it's way too early to call yet.0 -
Can you point to what could realistically make it a success long term?longy said:The only time we can really judge whether Brexit was a success or a failure is still a long way off.
This is like calling a Covid vaccine a failure as you have a sore arm the day after getting it.
I voted against it and have seen nothing that makes me think that was the wrong call but ... it's way too early to call yet.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Can you point to what could realistically make it a success long term?longy said:The only time we can really judge whether Brexit was a success or a failure is still a long way off.
This is like calling a Covid vaccine a failure as you have a sore arm the day after getting it.
I voted against it and have seen nothing that makes me think that was the wrong call but ... it's way too early to call yet.
No. I'll leave that to the historians and economists to decide.0 -
As somebody who understands economics can I say that it is as likely to be a success as a team entering the TdF with a tactic of not riding in the peloton.longy said:rick_chasey said:
Can you point to what could realistically make it a success long term?longy said:The only time we can really judge whether Brexit was a success or a failure is still a long way off.
This is like calling a Covid vaccine a failure as you have a sore arm the day after getting it.
I voted against it and have seen nothing that makes me think that was the wrong call but ... it's way too early to call yet.
No. I'll leave that to the historians and economists to decide.
See UK economy in 2015/16 as akin to the team weakening as talent and sponsors get nervous. Now we are a couple of stages in and riding as a team TTT has not been a success. Now assuming you follow road cycling can you see any reason why Team UK will close the gap and start powering ahead of the peloton? If a chap in the pub who loves their Union Jack kit told you it was too early to say if the tactic was a success would you agree with him?0 -
Perspective.rick_chasey said:
Can you point to what could realistically make it a success long term?longy said:The only time we can really judge whether Brexit was a success or a failure is still a long way off.
This is like calling a Covid vaccine a failure as you have a sore arm the day after getting it.
I voted against it and have seen nothing that makes me think that was the wrong call but ... it's way too early to call yet.
If (for example), it helps in some way to precipitate the collapse of the EU , I would say that was a negative but not everybody would.0 -
Right.longy said:rick_chasey said:
Can you point to what could realistically make it a success long term?longy said:The only time we can really judge whether Brexit was a success or a failure is still a long way off.
This is like calling a Covid vaccine a failure as you have a sore arm the day after getting it.
I voted against it and have seen nothing that makes me think that was the wrong call but ... it's way too early to call yet.
No. I'll leave that to the historians and economists to decide.
Then I am confused by your analogy. In your covid analogy, we know the vaccine is worth getting despite the sore arm, because, although we can't predict the future, we have a pretty good idea of how immunisation works, so we can say with some cofindence the jab will likely really help, right?
Because economics is also political and it encompasses the infamously unpredictable human behaviour and has things like financial crashes, people think it is not predictable, but there are things that are very predictable, and the stuff that is covered by Brexit *is* quite predictable.
Things like the Gravity Model of Trade
So if those things say Brexit is unlikely to be really beneficial, then there must be other things that must have some chance of being beneficial that we know about?
Just saying "not enough information, cannot make a comment" is not really appropriate when timely decisions are important. You can't be a good leader or governor by always waiting for perfect data. Corona is a great example of how making informed decisions on limited information in a timely matter can be really advantageous.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Right.longy said:rick_chasey said:
Can you point to what could realistically make it a success long term?longy said:The only time we can really judge whether Brexit was a success or a failure is still a long way off.
This is like calling a Covid vaccine a failure as you have a sore arm the day after getting it.
I voted against it and have seen nothing that makes me think that was the wrong call but ... it's way too early to call yet.
No. I'll leave that to the historians and economists to decide.
Then I am confused by your analogy. In your covid analogy, we know the vaccine is worth getting despite the sore arm, because, although we can't predict the future, we have a pretty good idea of how immunisation works, so we can say with some cofindence the jab will likely really help, right?
Because economics is also political and it encompasses the infamously unpredictable human behaviour and has things like financial crashes, people think it is not predictable, but there are things that are very predictable, and the stuff that is covered by Brexit *is* quite predictable.
Things like the Gravity Model of Trade
So if those things say Brexit is unlikely to be really beneficial, then there must be other things that must have some chance of being beneficial that we know about?
Just saying "not enough information, cannot make a comment" is not really appropriate when timely decisions are important. You can't be a good leader or governor by always waiting for perfect data. Corona is a great example of how making informed decisions on limited information in a timely matter can be really advantageous.
My original comment stands. You're welcome to debate the subject ad nauseum in the meantime.0 -
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Good for you. I disagree.rick_chasey said:How does it stand? I've explained why it's a nonsense argument.
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On what basis?longy said:
Good for you. I disagree.rick_chasey said:How does it stand? I've explained why it's a nonsense argument.
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That seems like something sensible to discuss. Not sure if it accounts for the majority of the discussion though.kingstongraham said:Brexit is done. If it helps the more compartmentalising tendencies of some posters, think of this thread as a discussion of our ongoing relationship with the EU, which changes again on 1st Jan.
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Of course it is. How isn't it?TheBigBean said:
That seems like something sensible to discuss. Not sure if it accounts for the majority of the discussion though.kingstongraham said:Brexit is done. If it helps the more compartmentalising tendencies of some posters, think of this thread as a discussion of our ongoing relationship with the EU, which changes again on 1st Jan.
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Not at the moment, it's all people complaining about the existence of the thread.TheBigBean said:
That seems like something sensible to discuss. Not sure if it accounts for the majority of the discussion though.kingstongraham said:Brexit is done. If it helps the more compartmentalising tendencies of some posters, think of this thread as a discussion of our ongoing relationship with the EU, which changes again on 1st Jan.
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I don't really agree, but I'm happy to join in some relevant discussion.kingstongraham said:
Not at the moment, it's all people complaining about the existence of the thread.TheBigBean said:
That seems like something sensible to discuss. Not sure if it accounts for the majority of the discussion though.kingstongraham said:Brexit is done. If it helps the more compartmentalising tendencies of some posters, think of this thread as a discussion of our ongoing relationship with the EU, which changes again on 1st Jan.
Isn't it good that the UK will be able to keep using summer time?0 -
All year?TheBigBean said:
I don't really agree, but I'm happy to join in some relevant discussion.kingstongraham said:
Not at the moment, it's all people complaining about the existence of the thread.TheBigBean said:
That seems like something sensible to discuss. Not sure if it accounts for the majority of the discussion though.kingstongraham said:Brexit is done. If it helps the more compartmentalising tendencies of some posters, think of this thread as a discussion of our ongoing relationship with the EU, which changes again on 1st Jan.
Isn't it good that the UK will be able to keep using summer time?0 -
As it likes, so just in the summer. Wild stuff.kingstongraham said:
All year?TheBigBean said:
I don't really agree, but I'm happy to join in some relevant discussion.kingstongraham said:
Not at the moment, it's all people complaining about the existence of the thread.TheBigBean said:
That seems like something sensible to discuss. Not sure if it accounts for the majority of the discussion though.kingstongraham said:Brexit is done. If it helps the more compartmentalising tendencies of some posters, think of this thread as a discussion of our ongoing relationship with the EU, which changes again on 1st Jan.
Isn't it good that the UK will be able to keep using summer time?0 -
On the basis I first mentioned. We have not yet seen all of the consequences of Brexit so are unable to make an overall judgement.rick_chasey said:
On what basis?longy said:
Good for you. I disagree.rick_chasey said:How does it stand? I've explained why it's a nonsense argument.
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No then. I don't see that as an advantage.TheBigBean said:
As it likes, so just in the summer. Wild stuff.kingstongraham said:
All year?TheBigBean said:
I don't really agree, but I'm happy to join in some relevant discussion.kingstongraham said:
Not at the moment, it's all people complaining about the existence of the thread.TheBigBean said:
That seems like something sensible to discuss. Not sure if it accounts for the majority of the discussion though.kingstongraham said:Brexit is done. If it helps the more compartmentalising tendencies of some posters, think of this thread as a discussion of our ongoing relationship with the EU, which changes again on 1st Jan.
Isn't it good that the UK will be able to keep using summer time?0 -
If it means that we are on the same time as Europe for 6 months of the year then that is a good thingkingstongraham said:
No then. I don't see that as an advantage.TheBigBean said:
As it likes, so just in the summer. Wild stuff.kingstongraham said:
All year?TheBigBean said:
I don't really agree, but I'm happy to join in some relevant discussion.kingstongraham said:
Not at the moment, it's all people complaining about the existence of the thread.TheBigBean said:
That seems like something sensible to discuss. Not sure if it accounts for the majority of the discussion though.kingstongraham said:Brexit is done. If it helps the more compartmentalising tendencies of some posters, think of this thread as a discussion of our ongoing relationship with the EU, which changes again on 1st Jan.
Isn't it good that the UK will be able to keep using summer time?0 -
Any thoughts on what decade it will be when we can definitively say we have seen all of the consequences of Brexit?longy said:
On the basis I first mentioned. We have not yet seen all of the consequences of Brexit so are unable to make an overall judgement.rick_chasey said:
On what basis?longy said:
Good for you. I disagree.rick_chasey said:How does it stand? I've explained why it's a nonsense argument.
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Maybe a new thread is needed.TheBigBean said:
That seems like something sensible to discuss. Not sure if it accounts for the majority of the discussion though.kingstongraham said:Brexit is done. If it helps the more compartmentalising tendencies of some posters, think of this thread as a discussion of our ongoing relationship with the EU, which changes again on 1st Jan.
Most of the discussion here is along the lines of 'we think its bad and we should either never have left, or should rejoin'. Which is a bit pointless as one is impossible without time travel and the possibility of the other is so far in the future we may as well get on with other more relevant things."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
See my post above.rick_chasey said:
Given all your chat beforehand about the deal etc I refuse to believe you are not interested in the reality of the deal they you were so keen to discuss for 4 years.Stevo_666 said:
As I mentioned above...rjsterry said:
Great. Lucky you. It's a pain in *rse for my industry. Nothing insurmountable: just that everything takes longer and costs more.Stevo_666 said:
Not really, it makes no difference to me and to most people apart from a small hard-core who can't let it go.rick_chasey said:Stevo would be crowing like mad if it wasn’t all iterations of bad news
Anyway, its done now and I'm not clear how interminable moaning will help?
I stand by the fact if the UK was massively outperforming everyone else and people were pointing to Brexit as why, you’d be much more vocal.
Unfortunately the reality is not that so rather than admit it you try to either diminish the cost (more expensive than rona fwiw) or say “it’s over” in order to avoid the reality."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
