BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Digital Tacho cards have made it really very hard to cheat these days. The next step (which is apparently very close to being implemented in CH) is to have tachos that upload to the police automatically so if you go over hours, your bill gets home before you do.
(As opposed to now where you need to be pulled over within the 28 (?) days)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Hauliers now claiming they need 100,000 drivers which feels excessive when there are currently only around 300,000 in total in the UK.0
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Pross said:
Hauliers now claiming they need 100,000 drivers which feels excessive when there are currently only around 300,000 in total in the UK.
Well, I guess if you've got too many for the jobs going, you can keep wages down.0 -
Boris being urged to save Christmas
Comes round earlier every year“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!2 -
Turkeys hoping no-one votes for Boris.tailwindhome said:Boris being urged to save Christmas
Comes round earlier every year2 -
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Day 268 and Brexit is going the way of AJs titles....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver said:
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Day 268 and Brexit is going the way of AJs titles....
Maybe the answer is to have a state haulage company, so we don't have to rely on these pesky private haulage companies who are trying to minimise labour costs.
Maybe we need a five-year plan, and collective farms too, to ensure there are enough turkeys to vote for Christmas every year.
Will Chairman Boris have the courage?3 -
Question I have with the 5000 Visa's is who would want to take them up?
Certainly not EU based truck drivers.
Continental Europe also has a shortage of truck drivers, albeit not as acute as the UK.
If you go for a UK Visa so you can look at UK work, there will be paperwork, there will be costs, it will be valid for 6 months only. Once you've gone through the faff of doing all that you're pretty much locked into working in the UK for that time at which point you'll be told to clear off.
If you want to pick up work in the EU then no paperwork, you can freely move across an entire continent, no time limit, seamlessly picking work from home or abroad depending on what the best option for your earnings / life situation.
The only real perk we can offer over the rest of Europe is pay, which our economy isn't really in the health to sustain.
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Two thirds (67%) of voters believe the government has handled the crisis badly, according to a new Opinium poll for the Observer. Even a majority of Conservative voters (59%) thought that the government had responded badly. The majority (68%) said Brexit was partly to blame, including 88% of Remain voters and 52% of Leave voters.
Crisis, what crisis?
Maybe reality is starting to dawn.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/25/european-lorry-drivers-will-not-want-to-come-to-uk-warn-haulage-chiefs1 -
It's just as well this issue can only apply to lorry drivers and chicken pluckers.0
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#80seatmajoritybriantrumpet said:Two thirds (67%) of voters believe the government has handled the crisis badly, according to a new Opinium poll for the Observer. Even a majority of Conservative voters (59%) thought that the government had responded badly. The majority (68%) said Brexit was partly to blame, including 88% of Remain voters and 52% of Leave voters.
Crisis, what crisis?
Maybe reality is starting to dawn.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/25/european-lorry-drivers-will-not-want-to-come-to-uk-warn-haulage-chiefs
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Lol shout out for the flag. I mean it, retired people don’t work, but they still want to spend their money on things. Who’s gonna do it?0
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Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Not much discussion of the demand side of the equation
Time spent at border checks and lack of cabotage flexibility increasing demand for drivers as operations become less efficient?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
His guess was they have switched to the home delivery sector.
100% agree with this and to add to this:
1. The Larger Logistics Firms have been slowly converting permanent staff to contractors which reduces employee benefits etc.
2. I can only remember once in the last 10 years when we have not had record profits whilst consistently looking at reducing costs. This is generally passed on to drivers so you end up with drivers working longer hours and doing more work for less or similar pay who would accept that if you have choices.
3. Contracted drivers hardly ever get a payrise but permanent staff do every year, so you have warehouse staff on similar salaries to skilled drivers.
4. An example a number of courier companies would pay their contract drivers per parcel now this is per drop or collection. So instead of earning £0.50p per parcel they could collect 10 parcels from 1 site and only earn £0.50p now.
I really do believe the working conditions and pay are one the biggest factors, the short term fix government is suggesting I don't believe will do anything. The drivers work so hard they should be paid right, there has been a race to the bottom with courier firms to secure these ecommerce contracts which are extremely profitable.
I personally can't see any change until we start doing right by all our staff, I could go on for hours the list is endless.
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There is a mixture of zero hours and permanent for supermarkets but they have been changing a lot of employees to permanent this last year. Zero Hours workers are normally offered a minimum of 16 hours per week.Dorset_Boy said:
Are the supermarket delivery drivers on zero hours contracts? I have no idea.ddraver said:
I have no real source for this but from my brief rub up against home delivery driving, no qualified HGV driver would choose home delivery over trucks.Dorset_Boy said:I was told by someone today that there's a serious shortage of HGV drivers across Europe too, to the tune of about 500,000. No idea if it is correct, but was from someone sensible. His guess was they have switched to the home delivery sector.
Zero Hours/ "self" employed (lol) delivery driving is a genuine scandal waiting to happen.
I imagine a significant number of the amazon / DPD / Hermes types are though.So Far!0 -
You constantly conveniently forget that those who are retired will have done 40-50 years of work, paid taxes and NI during those periods, and you are deliberately condescending towards and disrepectful of that.rick_chasey said:Lol shout out for the flag. I mean it, retired people don’t work, but they still want to spend their money on things. Who’s gonna do it?
Small wonder your post was flagged.
There really isn't any need to be so antagonistic towards older generations, it just isn't helpful to anyone.
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So if there's no money for them now, doesn't that suggest they should have paid a little more?Dorset_Boy said:
You constantly conveniently forget that those who are retired will have done 40-50 years of work, paid taxes and NI during those periods, and you are deliberately condescending towards and disrepectful of that.
Doing 40 - 50 years of work over life and paying the tax you owe isnt really that special. It's kind of the bare minimum.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Interesting that referring to EU workers coming to the UK as 'scabs' doesn't get flagged.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
One of the biggest issues was the way Labour coked up setting up the State Pension - making it a system where the NI contributions paid for those in retirement only could work if life expectancy never increased.ddraver said:
So if there's no money for them now, doesn't that suggest they should have paid a little more?Dorset_Boy said:
You constantly conveniently forget that those who are retired will have done 40-50 years of work, paid taxes and NI during those periods, and you are deliberately condescending towards and disrepectful of that.
Doing 40 - 50 years of work over life and paying the tax you owe isnt really that special. It's kind of the bare minimum.
When the State Pension was set up after WW2, male life expectancy was c64. It is now well into the 80s.
The other issue is the black hole that is the NHS.
Rick's attitude to older generations is that they deserve nothing because the don't work, forgetting the facts.
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I assumed he is jokingtailwindhome said:Interesting that referring to EU workers coming to the UK as 'scabs' doesn't get flagged.
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Dorset_Boy said:
One of the biggest issues was the way Labour coked up setting up the State Pension - making it a system where the NI contributions paid for those in retirement only could work if life expectancy never increased.ddraver said:
So if there's no money for them now, doesn't that suggest they should have paid a little more?Dorset_Boy said:
You constantly conveniently forget that those who are retired will have done 40-50 years of work, paid taxes and NI during those periods, and you are deliberately condescending towards and disrepectful of that.
Doing 40 - 50 years of work over life and paying the tax you owe isnt really that special. It's kind of the bare minimum.
When the State Pension was set up after WW2, male life expectancy was c64. It is now well into the 80s.
The other issue is the black hole that is the NHS.
Rick's attitude to older generations is that they deserve nothing because the don't work, forgetting the facts.
An interesting mix of correct and incorrect facts but I think I get your point.Dorset_Boy said:
One of the biggest issues was the way Labour coked up setting up the State Pension - making it a system where the NI contributions paid for those in retirement only could work if life expectancy never increased.ddraver said:
So if there's no money for them now, doesn't that suggest they should have paid a little more?Dorset_Boy said:
You constantly conveniently forget that those who are retired will have done 40-50 years of work, paid taxes and NI during those periods, and you are deliberately condescending towards and disrepectful of that.
Doing 40 - 50 years of work over life and paying the tax you owe isnt really that special. It's kind of the bare minimum.
When the State Pension was set up after WW2, male life expectancy was c64. It is now well into the 80s.
The other issue is the black hole that is the NHS.
Rick's attitude to older generations is that they deserve nothing because the don't work, forgetting the facts.
Not sure what Rick’s point is but it may be about entitlement because people have paid in.
So my back of a fag packet calculation is that a triple lock gold plated pension of £9kpa from age 65 would probably cost you £400,000.
I have no idea how NI notionally allocates money but even if you were on £100k a year you would only be paying £6k a year which might get you there.
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I really wish we would all stop pretending that people paying NI are paying into *their* pension.surrey_commuter said:Dorset_Boy said:
One of the biggest issues was the way Labour coked up setting up the State Pension - making it a system where the NI contributions paid for those in retirement only could work if life expectancy never increased.ddraver said:
So if there's no money for them now, doesn't that suggest they should have paid a little more?Dorset_Boy said:
You constantly conveniently forget that those who are retired will have done 40-50 years of work, paid taxes and NI during those periods, and you are deliberately condescending towards and disrepectful of that.
Doing 40 - 50 years of work over life and paying the tax you owe isnt really that special. It's kind of the bare minimum.
When the State Pension was set up after WW2, male life expectancy was c64. It is now well into the 80s.
The other issue is the black hole that is the NHS.
Rick's attitude to older generations is that they deserve nothing because the don't work, forgetting the facts.
An interesting mix of correct and incorrect facts but I think I get your point.Dorset_Boy said:
One of the biggest issues was the way Labour coked up setting up the State Pension - making it a system where the NI contributions paid for those in retirement only could work if life expectancy never increased.ddraver said:
So if there's no money for them now, doesn't that suggest they should have paid a little more?Dorset_Boy said:
You constantly conveniently forget that those who are retired will have done 40-50 years of work, paid taxes and NI during those periods, and you are deliberately condescending towards and disrepectful of that.
Doing 40 - 50 years of work over life and paying the tax you owe isnt really that special. It's kind of the bare minimum.
When the State Pension was set up after WW2, male life expectancy was c64. It is now well into the 80s.
The other issue is the black hole that is the NHS.
Rick's attitude to older generations is that they deserve nothing because the don't work, forgetting the facts.
Not sure what Rick’s point is but it may be about entitlement because people have paid in.
So my back of a censored packet calculation is that a triple lock gold plated pension of £9kpa from age 65 would probably cost you £400,000.
I have no idea how NI notionally allocates money but even if you were on £100k a year you would only be paying £6k a year which might get you there.
So they may be entitled to a pension but virtually nobody has fully paid for it
The only question is whether there are enough tax receipts to cover current old age benefits bill.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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NI was originally segregated, but hasn't been for a long time.
RJST: You are correct to say that NI conts aren't going towards that individual's pension, and that is because of the way the post war Labour government set up the system.
SC: I think you're about £120k over estimating the value of the pot required, but it certainly is a decent sum.0 -
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
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Stuff doesn’t magic out of nowhere. Someone had to produce it. You can’t buy it if no one is producing anything because everyone is retired.
I’m not talking about your pension. The world doesn’t go around without people working. It’s not about entitlement. It’s about demographics and who’s gonna be doing the work with an oversized part retired population.
The irony is there was a big spike of retirements in the lorry industry which had compounded the problem.
Passed 3 petrol stations on various outings / bike rides. They’d all run out of petrol. Ha. Nation of mugs.0 -
kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.0
