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PTP 2021

dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,254
edited 11 April in Pro race

Welcome to the 17th Annual PTP Competition

Let's hope that this year all the races do happen and maybe even in the order they are scheduled. I have some doubts, but we bash on. Tour de Yorkshire is an early casualty...

As ever, am happy to maintain the master spreadsheet, but would really appreciate all the help I can get to score PTP through the year. Please volunteer and let me know what you can or can't do, particularly the GTs. Also let me know if there are any that you particularly want to do! It's very simple and I'll can send you a googlesheet template closer to the day with a reminder to start the PTP thread.

PTP Races (as per the latest UCI calendar, though could change)
27 February: Omloop Het Nieuswsblad* - dish_dash
28 February: Kuurne Brussels Kuurne* - dish_dash
6 March: Strade Bianche* - twotoebenny
7-14 March: Paris Nice - RichN95
10-16 March: Tirreno-Adriatico - gregster04
20 March: Milan San Remo* - red.rider
26 March: E3 Saxo Bank Classic (Harelbeke)* - gregster04
28 March: Ghent Wevelgem* - gregster04
4 April: Ronde van Vlaanderen* - RichN95
7 April: Scheldeprijs* - twotoebenny
11 April: Paris Roubaix* - ducknumber1
18 April: Amstel Gold* - red.rider
21 April: Fleche Wallone* - dish_dash
25 April: Liege Bastogne Liege* - dish_dash
27 April - 2 May: Tour de Romandie - bobmcstuff
8-30 May: Giro d'Italia - red.rider
30 May - 6 June: Criterium du Dauphine - dish_dash
6-13 June: Tour de Suisse - twotoebenny
26 June - 18 July: Tour de France - RichN95
31 July: Donostia San Sebastian Klasikoa - dish_dash
23 July – 8 August: Olympic Games (RR+TT, Men & Women) - bobmcstuff
14 August - 5 Sept: Vuelta a Espana - ducknumber1
30 Aug - 5 Sept: BinkBank Tour - twotoebenny
19-26 September: World Championships (RR + TT, Men & Women) - gregster04
9 October: Il Lombardia - dish_dash
10 October: Paris Tours - dish_dash

Past PTP Winners
2020: rozzer32
2019: M.R.M.
2018: rozzer32
2017: rozzer32
2016: ducknumber1
2015: Stanislav
2014: Art Vandelay
2013: archieboy (I think)
2012: Art Vandelay
2011: rozzer32
2010: Kléber
2009: FJS
2008: Richrd2205
2007: andyp
2006: mangama
2005: ?unknown?

And to remind you, PTP Top 10 from 2020's topsy turvy season:
rozzer32 914
red.rider 889
takethehighroad 868
Dorset_Boy 850
gregster04 849
m.r.m. 827
archieboy 816
shockedsoshocked 811
TheBigBean 788
dish_dash 783

How to Play

Playing along with PTP is extremely simple - you don't have to sign up or join anything other than the Bikeradar forums. If you're already a member here, that means you're already eligible to play.

A few days before each of the chosen races, a PTP thread will be started in the Pro Race forum. That thread will contain a selection of useful links - start lists, race maps, past winners and so on. All you have to do is consider who you think is likely to win and post their name in that thread. It's that simple. If the race in question is a stage-race, you also get to predict the daily stage winners.

Post your pick in the relevant PTP thread before the cut off. If you change your mind then please post as a new post rather than editing your old post.

As you play, your scores will be added up and the overall season rankings will be updated in this thread. I'm dropping the spring classics mini-championship as I don't get the impression there is much interest and its a faff to sort - especially if races start getting moved around.

Scoring

TdF = Tour de France / G/V = Giro/Vuelta / Reg = Regular season

GC and one-day winners:

TdF | G/V | Reg
1 | 100 | 85 | 50 |
2 | 75 | 65 | 40 |
3 | 60 | 50 | 35 |
4 | 55 | 45 | 30 |
5 | 50 | 40 | 25 |
6 | 45 | 35 | 20 |
7 | 40 | 30 | 15 |
8 | 35 | 26 | 10 |
9 | 30 | 22 | 5 |
10 | 25 | 19 | 2 |
11 | 20 | 16 | |
12 | 15 | 13 | |
13 | 12 | 11 | |
14 | 10 | 9 | |
15 | 8 | 7 | |
16 | 6 | 5 | |
17 | 5 | 4 | |
18 | 4 | 3 | |
19 | 3 | 2 | |
20 | 2 | 1 | |

Stage winners:

TdF | G/V | Reg
1 | 12 | 10 | 6 |
2 | 10 | 8 | 5 |
3 | 8 | 6 | 4 |
4 | 7 | 5 | 3 |
5 | 6 | 4 | 2 |
6 | 5 | 3 | 1 |
7 | 4 | 2 | |
8 | 3 | 1 | |
9 | 2 | | |
10 | 1 | | |

Doping
Points are finalised once the race organisations publishes their results. No adjustments will be made if it later emerges that a rider has failed a drugs test or if a rider has wins retrospectively removed from their palmares.

Prediction Cut-off
Always the contentious one! The cut off is 12pm (noon) on the day of the race. This is strict so predictions at 12.01 won't be counted (exceptions made for split-stages, evening prologues etc). No GC selections will be accepted once a stage-race has begun.
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  • gregster04gregster04 Posts: 1,367
    Hi dish.

    I’m happy to help out again in 2021.

    Obviously I’m still reeling from the Tour de Yorkshire being cancelled again so I don’t have any particular preferences for which races I score.

    I was hoping to go to the Tour this summer however I think it’s safe to say that’s not happening and I’ll be working from home forever. So you can put me down for whichever races need looking after.
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 10,220
    Happy to help again although as you probably know by now I am rubbish at remembering what I've agreed to!

    I am supposed to be away during the Tour de Suisse, although that might not actually happen.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,497
    Happy to help
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • twotoebennytwotoebenny Posts: 1,081
    i can help too
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 8,982
    Raises a tremulous hand. Easy start mayhap? As in not a GT... But willing to help out.
  • Happy to help out wherever
  • red.riderred.rider Posts: 642
    Happy to help whenever too. I promise to score fairly, despite unfinished business with rozzer after Vueltagate2020
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,421
    Hey dish, there is a typo mistake for Kuurne in the first post. Should (obviously) be Feb. not March. No biggie, just so no one is confused with getting picks in on time.
    PTP Champion 2019
  • dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,254
    edited 16 March
    Updated scores after the first four rounds! Results sheet

    Top Ten
    twotoebenny 133
    gregster04 115
    m.r.m. 78
    orraloon 76
    RichN95. 75
    Dialatron 72
    singleton 72
    niknak1 71
    bobmcstuff 69
    TheBigBean 62
  • dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,254
    Think I've updated the link above so anyone can access the spreadsheet...
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,622
    Is TA missing from the race list on the master sheet?
  • dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,254
    Updated after TA (yes, Pross I forgot about it!) and MSR.

    Full GC results here

    No changes towards the top but TheBigBean is having a good season so far and is rocketing up the standings!

    Top Ten
    twotoebenny 233
    gregster04 220
    orraloon 187
    m.r.m. 186
    singleton 183
    TheBigBean 177
    archieboy 172
    RichN95 170
    Pross 165
    dish_dash 157
  • dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,254
    Updates after the Cobbled Classics

    Full GC results here

    twotoebenny stays in the lead, but a bit of a shake up in the top 10 thereafter...

    Top Ten
    twotoebenny 398
    singleton 348
    m.r.m. 331
    Pross 330
    Dorset_Boy 318
    takethehighroad 279
    gregster04 270
    joe_totale-2 269
    archieboy 267
    dish_dash 267
  • takethehighroadtakethehighroad Posts: 5,989
    Can't see a PTP for Fleche, so please can I pick Rog?
  • dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,254
    Here's a round up of the results before the Giro starts. Thanks to all the scorers and apologies for the late update!

    Latest state of play is here. Despite missing the cut for FW, twotoebenny continues to lead the competition...

    Top 10
    twotoebenny 562
    singleton 500
    Dorset_Boy 482
    gregster04 475
    archieboy 471
    m.r.m. 461
    rozzer32 447
    Pross 446
    bobmcstuff 418
    dish_dash 413
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,421
    Not sure if we are doing it, but

    Tour de Suisse
    S1: Roham Dennis please

    I won't be able to post in the morning. Thanks
    PTP Champion 2019
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,497
    I'll go for GC Carapaz. I'll leave stages until an official thread. But it's on the calendar so I expect points if he does well.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,071
    If it is happening then..

    GC Alaphilippe
    Stage 1 Bissegger

    On the basis that I won't be able to watch this week and posting will be tricky, I vote to cancel.
  • rozzer32rozzer32 Posts: 3,561
    TdS GC: Carapaz
    1: Bissegger
    ***** Pro Tour Pundit Champion 2020, 2018, 2017 & 2011 *****
  • gregster04gregster04 Posts: 1,367
    About to go out for a ride of my own so don’t have time to start a thread but for Tour de Suisse, my picks are:

    GC ALAPHILIPPE
    S1 BISSEGGER
  • dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,254
    Here's a round up of the results after the Giro, Dauphine, and Tour de Suisse. Next up is the Tour de France...

    twotoebenny continues to lead the competition, but there has been a fair shake up in the top 10

    twotoebenny 752
    Dorset_Boy 714
    rozzer32 710
    m.r.m. 707
    Pross 692
    archieboy 691
    bobmcstuff 688
    singleton 667
    gregster04 658
    dish_dash 611
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 10,220
    Creeping on up...
  • dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,254
    Results after the Tour and San Sebastian

    No change at the top but ducknumber1 and singleton on the rise... I'm desperately hoping that the Vuelta will save my season.

    Top 10
    twotoebenny 978
    Dorset_Boy 949
    m.r.m. 946
    archieboy 912
    bobmcstuff 903
    Pross 882
    ducknumber1 830
    rozzer32 825
    singleton 789
    TheBigBean 785
  • singletonsingleton Posts: 2,032
    The longer the season goes for, the worse I seem to do.
    I need to step away from overthinking and return to blissful ignorance...
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 10,220
    My method is either

    Shortest odds + INRNG cross-reference

    or

    copy the person above (or the first person above who I agree with)

    Depending on how close to the deadline it is. I haven't done any real thinking of my own... I suppose that's why I am in 5th not 1st though.
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,421
    Would be great if there was an option for all picks to be secret until the race starts and time to make picks has expired.
    PTP Champion 2019
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 10,220
    That would be an administrative pain... as someone who scores these things.
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,421
    Yeah I wasn't saying there should be more work for those scoring. Would need to be automatic via the forum. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.
    PTP Champion 2019
  • dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,254
    Results after the Olympics.

    No changes in the top 10, though plenty still to play for with the Vuelta upon us!

    Top 10
    twotoebenny 1053
    Dorset_Boy 1029
    m.r.m. 1021
    archieboy 987
    bobmcstuff 978
    Pross 967
    rozzer32 915
    ducknumber1 905
    singleton 874
    TheBigBean 860

    Always happy to see how we can improve things, but practically I don't think there is a way that the forum would let us to anonymous picks. And to be honest, part of the fun is seeing what other people are picking! :)
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,497
    I don't think that anonymous picks will change much. People generally pick the usual suspects. Although one year around 2010 I vowed not to pick anyone whose name began with C as the stock choices were Contador, Cavendish and Cancellara.
    Twitter: @RichN95
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