Psychedelics and depression
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I have stayed at a resort in Jamaica who block a week or two out each year to host retreats serving magic mushrooms to help people with depression. The resort owners were really positive about it as a form of therapy.
I don't really know much about depression beyond what I have read (I don't really know anyone who suffers) but I found it fascinating.
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What do they do with the guests who go on to develop permanent Psychosis.2
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Dunno. What is the liklihood of that outcome?webboo said:What do they do with the guests who go on to develop permanent Psychosis.
Even though it's Jamaica - they aren't just getting high and messing around - it's quite controlled.0 -
When I worked in mental health there were a significant number of service users who had developed Psychosis/ Schizophrenia/ Bi Polar disorder following the use mind altering substances.1
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There is lot of evidence to support it, however you could also add that some people are more at risk to those conditions because of their life experiences. This in turn may lead them use drugs etc which in turn.
It’s all bit there for the grace of god with mental health issues.0 -
The program itself also covered that they don't take people on who have a history of other conditions (such as pyscosis), even in their family, so seemed quite controlled.
I do agree that to self medicate would be dangerous.0 -
I think that a pre-assessment of an individual's mental state and history would be necessary before anything like this was undertaken.
It may benefit some but it may not benefit others.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Ibogaine is quite interesting as a cure for addiction.0
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Depression does have a spectrum from mildly p*ssped off because you had a puncture to severe clinical depression with psychomotor retardation with psychotic symptoms. I wonder if this is a treatment for the rich worried well.shirley_basso said:The program itself also covered that they don't take people on who have a history of other conditions (such as pyscosis), even in their family, so seemed quite controlled.
I do agree that to self medicate would be dangerous.0 -
The program addresses all of this.pinno said:I think that a pre-assessment of an individual's mental state and history would be necessary before anything like this was undertaken.
It may benefit some but it may not benefit others.
It's an interesting read into the physiology of is as much as the psychology.
VERY basically, magic mushrooms reset the part of the brain that creates the dark thoughts.0 -
There was an article in the Guardian a day or two ago about psychedelics helping people see things in new ways - by stripping away the preconceptions we all build up through experience.
There was something about them allowing different parts of the brain to communicate with each other in a similar way to that seen in children.
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Shrooms always made me giggle, especially the weird streaming effect on things that moved making everything seem like a Jackson 5 music video!
Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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Went to see one of my more hippie mates this weekend who has had a relaxed pandemic shall we say who was talking about how he conquered his fear of death on an acid trip last year and has been following up with Bodmin Moor's finest shrooms.
It's not that I doubt him but he is one of those people who is 100% enthusiastic about something for...a month but then totally forgets about it the next.
He's now signed me up for a free month on the Sam Harris Meditation app which I've come across before and find rather...hmmmm.
Seems a lot of the US new-atheists are into taking a bunch of drugs to 'experience consciousness these days. Yeah, in the 90's we called that " 'avin' it large mate"
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Plenty of prescribable medicines are also controlled drugs, just being illegal doesn't mean it can't have therapeutic value.
The stigma and politics around illegal drugs is probably holding back lots of medical research.
Look at the way the idea of medical cannabis was rubbished, but it's now available on prescription in the UK, if you can find someone willing to brave the controversy around it and prescribe.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-570988580 -
Did you hear about the dyslexic, insomniac aetheist?ddraver said:Went to see one of my more hippie mates this weekend who has had a relaxed pandemic shall we say who was talking about how he conquered his fear of death on an acid trip last year and has been following up with Bodmin Moor's finest shrooms.
It's not that I doubt him but he is one of those people who is 100% enthusiastic about something for...a month but then totally forgets about it the next.
He's now signed me up for a free month on the Sam Harris Meditation app which I've come across before and find rather...hmmmm.
Seems a lot of the US new-atheists are into taking a bunch of drugs to 'experience consciousness these days. Yeah, in the 90's we called that " 'avin' it large mate"
He was lying awake one night wondering if there really was a dog.
I'll get my coat.seanoconn - gruagach craic!1 -
Medical cannabis isn’t about getting off your face on it to change your perceptions.akh said:Plenty of prescribable medicines are also controlled drugs, just being illegal doesn't mean it can't have therapeutic value.
The stigma and politics around illegal drugs is probably holding back lots of medical research.
Look at the way the idea of medical cannabis was rubbished, but it's now available on prescription in the UK, if you can find someone willing to brave the controversy around it and prescribe.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57098858
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