The Cake Stop
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I've usually voted Labour, sometimes reluctantly as I've felt they've lost the plot somewhat and a couple of times I couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone. I have voted for other minor parties a couple of times.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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The issue is it's very unlikely anyone ever agrees with every policy of the party they vote for.rick_chasey said:So who is properly labour left wing here?
The centre of this place is skewed right as the one of the most left wing people you have on here on the right of the Lib Dem’s and has never voted labour in his life.
I doubt most Tory voters support the reduction of 20,000 Police officers that occurred from 2010-2019.
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I'm a Labour voter. Glad that Starmer is leading and that Corbyn is gone.
Seeing as we're asking.Ben
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Since asked, I'm socially left and economically right. I acknowledge they are incompatible so seek a central compromise. No party allegiance.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.2 -
97 / 01 - Labourddraver said:
We don't have a single open Labour voter. Not a one! Not even a reluctant Keir Starmer voter...briantrumpet said:It doesn't skew right, but equally, I suspect a majority of us have voted Tory at some point, and this isn't the leftie stronghold it's sometimes made out to be.
Not to mention that the very youngest of us are mid-thirties, (?)married, (?)home owners with kids.
Of course it's skewed right!
05 / 10 / 15 - Tory
17 / 19 - Labour (would have been LD due to Brexit but they don't have a hope here in GEs even though the Mayor is LD - go figure)
Our local Labour MP is from the town and seems to do a decent job on local issues, and doesn't appear to be in to climb the ladder.
My views have changed a lot as I've got older and met more people from different backgrounds.0 -
Fair enough, but my points above still stand. The left/right thing is one factor but that's not the whole story.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:I think the main problem with Cake Stop is that it's a bit too serious for its own good. Not enough banter, too much politics and too many threads disappearing up their own backsides with philosophical discussions.
I do actually appreciate the fact that there are lots of honest discussions about a wide range of topics, nearly all respectful, and, on the whole, less compartmentalised than you get in the press. The fact that not everyone adorns their comments with emoticons doesn't mean that there's not a good dose of humour lurking and ready to pounce.
I do appreciate too that a lot of you obviously have really proper jobs and families, and yet still take the time to write (sometimes lengthy) properly considered replies."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You are Sweden.pblakeney said:Since asked, I'm socially left and economically right. I acknowledge they are incompatible so seek a central compromise. No party allegiance.
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Agree - think Starmer is a serious, decent bloke who's in it for the right reasons.Ben6899 said:I'm a Labour voter. Glad that Starmer is leading and that Corbyn is gone.
Seeing as we're asking.
Just wish he'd let rip a bit more at times. He's playing by the rules and BoJo et al have set fire to the rule book then p155ed all over it.1 -
If you were worried about control from the fringes please tell me you didn't vote labour?Pross said:
This. I voted Tory in every GE from 1992 to 2015 but it then became apparent that they were becoming controlled from the fringes.rjsterry said:
There are quite a few who at least used to vote Tory before the party lost its mind.shortfall said:
Cakestop skews right? Really? I think there's only Stevo who admits to voting Tory and have you seen the hate the Conservatives get across a number of threads? Not to mention the bile aimed at GB News before it's even launched. Where are all the right wing posters? There's me I suppose, but I'm one of the few to be concerned with liberty and the increasing authoritarian actions of the government, and I also support nationalised railways, I'm not a free markets hawk and I've been against most of the foreign wars and interventions in recent memory from Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Lybia.ddraver said:It could be worse....
That our local lib dem member is painted as the living embodiment of the marxist red scare suggests that the forum skews rather right, but I occasionally dip into a US based ski forum and that is a whole box of....
More odd is someone who is concerned about authoritarianism and civil liberties voting for a right of centre party and the very party introducing the laws they are so opposed to then complaining about liberals.0 -
yorkshireraw said:
Agree - think Starmer is a serious, decent bloke who's in it for the right reasons.
Just wish he'd let rip a bit more at times. He's playing by the rules and BoJo et al have set fire to the rule book then p155ed all over it.
I hope I'm right in thinking he's just biding his time. He is serious and in it for the right reasons... also doesn't have his head in the far left clouds (despite his name!).
Decent bloke as well - drinks in my local.Ben
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Covid aside. 😉yorkshireraw said:
You are Sweden.pblakeney said:Since asked, I'm socially left and economically right. I acknowledge they are incompatible so seek a central compromise. No party allegiance.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.0
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Ah, Islington resident then... ;-)Ben6899 said:yorkshireraw said:Agree - think Starmer is a serious, decent bloke who's in it for the right reasons.
Just wish he'd let rip a bit more at times. He's playing by the rules and BoJo et al have set fire to the rule book then p155ed all over it.
I hope I'm right in thinking he's just biding his time. He is serious and in it for the right reasons... also doesn't have his head in the far left clouds (despite his name!).
Decent bloke as well - drinks in my local.
I think the problem with him biding his time is he's being rational about it, and thinks the more the Govt mess up, the less support they will have.
The issue is voters seem to like hearing things that may not be true, but suit their thinking, and ignore or dismiss things they shouldn't like.0 -
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It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
And there's one who likes to position himself to the right of Genghis Khan (but probably wouldn't like the comparison).shortfall said:It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.
James O'Brien isn't far left is he? Left of centre, sure. Far to the left of some others on the same station, sure.0 -
and yet Boris has borrowed huge chunks of their manifestos. JC wanted to raise corporation tax to an eye bleedingly high 26% and was denounced as a deranged trot trying to destroy the UK economy. Why do the same denouncers not denounce Boris/Rishi as deranged trots trying to destroy the UK economy?ddraver said:Neither Brown nor Miliband were tories...
Blair was not a Tory yet his economic policies were way to the right of the current Govt.
Imagine if Starmer introduced a manifesto promising fiscal prudence and a rolling back of the State to leave individuals with more freedom to make their own decisions?
Insanely millions would vote for the blue rosette because that is what they always do even though that rosette now stands for all of the things they pasionately argued against ten years ago0 -
Camden, but actually will be Islington soon!yorkshireraw said:Ah, Islington resident then... ;-)
I think the problem with him biding his time is he's being rational about it, and thinks the more the Govt mess up, the less support they will have.
The issue is voters seem to like hearing things that may not be true, but suit their thinking, and ignore or dismiss things they shouldn't like.
Yeh that's the danger with his tactic and we've actually seen that confidence in the current government is high. Incredibly.Ben
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I can not think of anybody further left than Ricshortfall said:It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.
I broadly agree with your Blairite description but would call it Blair/Cameron because compared tothe fringes of their parties their is very little between them.0 -
It used to be fun, it's rarely that these days.Stevo_666 said:
True.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:If you're far enough to the left, everything looks right wing
Whilst being true, the converse is also true.
I think the main problem with Cake Stop is that it's a bit too serious for its own good. Not enough banter, too much politics and too many threads disappearing up their own backsides with philosophical discussions.
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
Think you're probably right on that.surrey_commuter said:
I can not think of anybody further left than Ricshortfall said:It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.
I broadly agree with your Blairite description but would call it Blair/Cameron because compared tothe fringes of their parties their is very little between them.
Was just thinking about how in 97 Blair and Major probably weren't that far apart in a lot of policies (although that could be the mists of time) - when compared to Johnson vs. Corbyn in '19. Hence why the Tories swung right under Hague - Blair had taken the centre (even centre-right) ground from them.
Someone like Major would appear very unlikely to become Tory leader these days. We now have a Conservative party that isn't conservative and a Labour party that struggles to align with a lot of those who do 'labour'.0 -
which...as said...is the problem.surrey_commuter said:
I can not think of anybody further left than Ric
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Who could you possibly mean? 😊kingstongraham said:
And there's one who likes to position himself to the right of Genghis Khan (but probably wouldn't like the comparison).shortfall said:It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.
James O'Brien isn't far left is he? Left of centre, sure. Far to the left of some others on the same station, sure.0 -
But who does Shortfall consider to be hard left??ddraver said:
which...as said...is the problem.surrey_commuter said:
I can not think of anybody further left than Ric0 -
Not really sure what Major stood for but Blair was close to what Thatcher called a “Tory wet” Brown was certainly a lurch left and then Cameron lurched back right to where Blair was. May probably to the right of Cameron. On that scale I would put Boris closer to Brown than Blairyorkshireraw said:
Think you're probably right on that.surrey_commuter said:
I can not think of anybody further left than Ricshortfall said:It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.
I broadly agree with your Blairite description but would call it Blair/Cameron because compared tothe fringes of their parties their is very little between them.
Was just thinking about how in 97 Blair and Major probably weren't that far apart in a lot of policies (although that could be the mists of time) - when compared to Johnson vs. Corbyn in '19. Hence why the Tories swung right under Hague - Blair had taken the centre (even centre-right) ground from them.
Someone like Major would appear very unlikely to become Tory leader these days. We now have a Conservative party that isn't conservative and a Labour party that struggles to align with a lot of those who do 'labour'.0 -
Not the actual Labour voters?surrey_commuter said:
I can not think of anybody further left than Ricshortfall said:It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.
I broadly agree with your Blairite description but would call it Blair/Cameron because compared tothe fringes of their parties their is very little between them.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Not sure Boris has any beliefs or convictions that aren't purely around his own self interest, and supporting those who got him into No10, or who know what other skeletons / kids etc he has in his closet. His entire life experience is so far removed from the majority of low / middle earners in the UK. I don't think he's ever really come into contact with 'normal' people outside of political photo ops.surrey_commuter said:
Not really sure what Major stood for but Blair was close to what Thatcher called a “Tory wet” Brown was certainly a lurch left and then Cameron lurched back right to where Blair was. May probably to the right of Cameron. On that scale I would put Boris closer to Brown than Blairyorkshireraw said:
Think you're probably right on that.surrey_commuter said:
I can not think of anybody further left than Ricshortfall said:It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.
I broadly agree with your Blairite description but would call it Blair/Cameron because compared tothe fringes of their parties their is very little between them.
Was just thinking about how in 97 Blair and Major probably weren't that far apart in a lot of policies (although that could be the mists of time) - when compared to Johnson vs. Corbyn in '19. Hence why the Tories swung right under Hague - Blair had taken the centre (even centre-right) ground from them.
Someone like Major would appear very unlikely to become Tory leader these days. We now have a Conservative party that isn't conservative and a Labour party that struggles to align with a lot of those who do 'labour'.
Yes I couldn't really think of much that stands out about Major's policies, so it's mainly based on him now seeming to be a sensible and considered voice, and a huge contrast to the current Govt - look at the likes of Ken Clarke, Heseltine etc vs Raab, Patel and Truss. Portillo was viewed as some sort of uber- right winger back then.2 -
Up to recently, you could be a Conservative mp and think the current regime is a Brexit induced kakistocracy led by an inveterate liar.0
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I think I know who he means.shortfall said:
Who could you possibly mean? 😊kingstongraham said:
And there's one who likes to position himself to the right of Genghis Khan (but probably wouldn't like the comparison).shortfall said:It's funny isn't it? I can think of one prolific poster who would be to the left of Millie Tant of Viz fame and many is the time I come away from debates in here feeling like I've listened to a 3 hour monologue by James O'Brien. I would say Blairite is a reasonable description of the prevailing standpoint of your average cakestopper though.
James O'Brien isn't far left is he? Left of centre, sure. Far to the left of some others on the same station, sure.
But its more than left/right etc. There is also the PC/wokey dokey wars. Aside fom the general lack of humour in here."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Re-leaved.1