BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 27,484

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.
    Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 27,484
    edited October 2020
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    I
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.
    I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,509
    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.
    Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.
    No idea what your day job actually involves, but I don't understand why architectural designs and models shouldn't be counted as "proper work" aka manufacturing. I get that there is some scepticism over some other services, but think making something virtually still counts as making something. This is just a rant on the side. Perhaps one for the trivial things that annoy me thread.

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 27,484

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.
    Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.
    No idea what your day job actually involves, but I don't understand why architectural designs and models shouldn't be counted as "proper work" aka manufacturing. I get that there is some scepticism over some other services, but think making something virtually still counts as making something. This is just a rant on the side. Perhaps one for the trivial things that annoy me thread.

    Ha. On a bad day I'd gladly swap for the simplicity of digging underpins in the drizzle. I don't think there's really a question of whether it's work; it's just that somebody else constructs the physical object.
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 2,867

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.
    Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.
    No idea what your day job actually involves, but I don't understand why architectural designs and models shouldn't be counted as "proper work" aka manufacturing. I get that there is some scepticism over some other services, but think making something virtually still counts as making something. This is just a rant on the side. Perhaps one for the trivial things that annoy me thread.

    Certainly when it comes to engineering services, there's a world of extra potential headaches that come from taking on those final few bits.

    Plus there's a little bit of seeing yourself as providing something premium when you offer purely a service.

    Having said that we still consider ourselves doing proper work.


  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,158
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    I
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.
    I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.
    No idea what you're on about. Nobody is persecuting me, I am as I said questioning the motives. Sorry if that annoys you that the message is maybe not quite as bad.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 27,484
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    I
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.
    I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.
    No idea what you're on about. Nobody is persecuting me, I am as I said questioning the motives. Sorry if that annoys you that the message is maybe not quite as bad.
    Your first thought on seeing it was whether it showed the UK in a good enough light or not, as though it was some sort of attack. Very patriotic of you. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. 😏
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,158
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    I
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.

    £1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.
    I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.
    Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?
    Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.
    Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.
    I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.
    No idea what you're on about. Nobody is persecuting me, I am as I said questioning the motives. Sorry if that annoys you that the message is maybe not quite as bad.
    Your first thought on seeing it was whether it showed the UK in a good enough light or not, as though it was some sort of attack. Very patriotic of you. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. 😏
    No, it just lacked balance due to its obvious omission. No wonder people like you were keen on it and appear to be defending it :smile:
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 27,484
    People like me? Disappointed, Stevo.

    It was about manufacturing exports; you're the one twisting this into some inane argument over whether it says nice things about a particular country.
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,158
    rjsterry said:

    People like me? Disappointed, Stevo.

    It was about manufacturing exports; you're the one twisting this into some inane argument over whether it says nice things about a particular country.

    Maybe I should have said people with view like yours. Anyhow, you keep on defending it so I think I have a point.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 18,878
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,593
    IIRC Rotterdam was fully prepared, staffed and trained 2 years ago.
    More fool them. 🤔
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,237
    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO
  • Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,593

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    He knows that he doesn’t.
    We are kidding ourselves that we do.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,237

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    Doesn’t need to be special.

    Helps with leverage.
  • Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    Doesn’t need to be special.

    Helps with leverage.
    Leverage with who?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,237

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    Doesn’t need to be special.

    Helps with leverage.
    Leverage with who?
    Germany & EU members & Turkey

    Biden will try to keep Obama’s pivot eastwards but Macron has a similar world view.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 18,878

    Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO

    Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?
    Doesn’t need to be special.

    Helps with leverage.
    Leverage with who?
    Germany & EU members & Turkey

    Biden will try to keep Obama’s pivot eastwards but Macron has a similar world view.
    It'll be interesting to see if Obama has a role in a Biden administration.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,348
    So did this get lost in the US Elections?



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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 18,878
    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
    Have no idea on the store sizes in NI but a typical big box supermarket in UK turns over several hundred £K per week so the turnover for 17 stores will be probably between half and one billion p/a. It’s not peanuts but margins aren’t massive.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 18,878

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
    Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl.



    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,215
    I did several Tescos in NI back during the big expansion. They're in the Republic too.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,921

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
    They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,509

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?

    Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
    They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.
    Can you drink the water?
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 18,878

    Some coordination in NI.

    Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.

    TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.

    I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?
    Not often, no.

    Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'

    It's difficult politically for both

    DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence

    SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.


    Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.

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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 18,878
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!