BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.TheBigBean said:
Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.rjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.Stevo_666 said:
Irjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.rjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
No idea what your day job actually involves, but I don't understand why architectural designs and models shouldn't be counted as "proper work" aka manufacturing. I get that there is some scepticism over some other services, but think making something virtually still counts as making something. This is just a rant on the side. Perhaps one for the trivial things that annoy me thread.rjsterry said:
Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.TheBigBean said:
Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.rjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
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Ha. On a bad day I'd gladly swap for the simplicity of digging underpins in the drizzle. I don't think there's really a question of whether it's work; it's just that somebody else constructs the physical object.TheBigBean said:
No idea what your day job actually involves, but I don't understand why architectural designs and models shouldn't be counted as "proper work" aka manufacturing. I get that there is some scepticism over some other services, but think making something virtually still counts as making something. This is just a rant on the side. Perhaps one for the trivial things that annoy me thread.rjsterry said:
Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.TheBigBean said:
Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.rjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Certainly when it comes to engineering services, there's a world of extra potential headaches that come from taking on those final few bits.TheBigBean said:
No idea what your day job actually involves, but I don't understand why architectural designs and models shouldn't be counted as "proper work" aka manufacturing. I get that there is some scepticism over some other services, but think making something virtually still counts as making something. This is just a rant on the side. Perhaps one for the trivial things that annoy me thread.rjsterry said:
Definitely only a service. but no export anyway.TheBigBean said:
Do you feel you provide a service or manufacture something? I would expect it to be the former, but think the latter would be reasonable.rjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
Plus there's a little bit of seeing yourself as providing something premium when you offer purely a service.
Having said that we still consider ourselves doing proper work.
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No idea what you're on about. Nobody is persecuting me, I am as I said questioning the motives. Sorry if that annoys you that the message is maybe not quite as bad.rjsterry said:
I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.Stevo_666 said:
Irjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.rjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Your first thought on seeing it was whether it showed the UK in a good enough light or not, as though it was some sort of attack. Very patriotic of you. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. 😏Stevo_666 said:
No idea what you're on about. Nobody is persecuting me, I am as I said questioning the motives. Sorry if that annoys you that the message is maybe not quite as bad.rjsterry said:
I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.Stevo_666 said:
Irjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.rjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
No, it just lacked balance due to its obvious omission. No wonder people like you were keen on it and appear to be defending itrjsterry said:
Your first thought on seeing it was whether it showed the UK in a good enough light or not, as though it was some sort of attack. Very patriotic of you. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧. 😏Stevo_666 said:
No idea what you're on about. Nobody is persecuting me, I am as I said questioning the motives. Sorry if that annoys you that the message is maybe not quite as bad.rjsterry said:
I think I've covered that several times now. You're starting to sound as though you have some sort of persecution complex.Stevo_666 said:
Irjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
Can't be bothered. Just questioning the motives that's all.rjsterry said:
Because he was making a point about manufacturing, not worrying about whether it painted unfavourable pictures for this or that country. Feel free to search for a comparable animation for services.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe, but for an economy that is strong in services like the UK, that could paint a rather unfavourable picture compared to those that are more centred on manufacturing. Wonder why he didn't do a services version?rjsterry said:
I would guess they were trying to say something about manufacturing. As I said, the data was originally from the CIA.Stevo_666 said:
£1 of services exports are worth the same as £1 of goods exports, so not sure why they are slicing it up like that rather than looking at the totals.rjsterry said:Sure. FWIW, I don't think the story was "look at the impact on the UK while everyone else carries on as normal". The acceleration of other manufacturing nations is what I noticed.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
People like me? Disappointed, Stevo.
It was about manufacturing exports; you're the one twisting this into some inane argument over whether it says nice things about a particular country.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Maybe I should have said people with view like yours. Anyhow, you keep on defending it so I think I have a point.rjsterry said:People like me? Disappointed, Stevo.
It was about manufacturing exports; you're the one twisting this into some inane argument over whether it says nice things about a particular country."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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IIRC Rotterdam was fully prepared, staffed and trained 2 years ago.
More fool them. 🤔The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO0
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Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?rick_chasey said:Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO
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He knows that he doesn’t.surrey_commuter said:
Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?rick_chasey said:Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO
We are kidding ourselves that we do.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Doesn’t need to be special.surrey_commuter said:
Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?rick_chasey said:Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO
Helps with leverage.0 -
Leverage with who?rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t need to be special.surrey_commuter said:
Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?rick_chasey said:Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO
Helps with leverage.0 -
Germany & EU members & Turkeysurrey_commuter said:
Leverage with who?rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t need to be special.surrey_commuter said:
Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?rick_chasey said:Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO
Helps with leverage.
Biden will try to keep Obama’s pivot eastwards but Macron has a similar world view.0 -
It'll be interesting to see if Obama has a role in a Biden administration.rick_chasey said:
Germany & EU members & Turkeysurrey_commuter said:
Leverage with who?rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t need to be special.surrey_commuter said:
Why would he exhaust energy in kidding himself that he has a special relationship?rick_chasey said:Decent opportunity for Macron to try and be the new American - EU ally now Britain has left. Only permanent Security Council member who is also member of EU and NATO
Helps with leverage.
Biden will try to keep Obama’s pivot eastwards but Macron has a similar world view.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
So did this get lost in the US Elections?
Note the Source has not distinguished himself much post-2016...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.0 -
Have no idea on the store sizes in NI but a typical big box supermarket in UK turns over several hundred £K per week so the turnover for 17 stores will be probably between half and one billion p/a. It’s not peanuts but margins aren’t massive.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.0 -
Sainsbury, Asda, Tesco and Lidl.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I did several Tescos in NI back during the big expansion. They're in the Republic too.1
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They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.1 -
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.0 -
Can you drink the water?ballysmate said:
They have electricity and indoor plumbing too.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely surprised Asda can make money supplying 17 stores in NI, are all the big chains there?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Could see a few on the High St seeing an opportunity to pull out.0 -
Not often, no.TheBigBean said:
I was reading about this earlier. Do they often agree on anything?tailwindhome said:Some coordination in NI.
Joint First and deputy First Minister issued the following letter which has been welcomed by the trade bodies for retail and freight being shared and explained by the guy from Asda.
TL:DR EU rules for freight are designed for wholesale not retail loads.
Agreeing on this takes a bit of political 'needle threading'
It's difficult politically for both
DUP need the Protocol implemented painlessly without accepting it's existence
SF can't accept the land border alternative to the Protocol but don't want associated with its painful implementation.
Worth noting it's the DUP who hold the Environment portfolio and are responsible for implementing the border inspection posts.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0