BBC Bias

Ballysmate wrote:

Besides, how can people's odious views be shown for what they are if their views are not to be reported?

Reporting them is what they do already. Failure to challenge them or - at the very least - explain/justify them - is what's missing.

The comment of an uninformed idiot should not be used to 'balance' an expert opinion. It happens on the BBC far too often.

Ballysmate wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Besides, how can people's odious views be shown for what they are if their views are not to be reported?

Reporting them is what they do already. Failure to challenge them or - at the very least - explain/justify them - is what's missing.

The comment of an uninformed idiot should not be used to 'balance' an expert opinion. It happens on the BBC far too often.

I assume you hadn't read as far as my next post then?

Yes I've read it. What about it?

Think it was more Thatcher than joining the EEC/EU which 'destroyed industries' but whatevs, have a whinge at the BBC why don't you?

BBC presenter this morning:

"..and now for moron Boris Johnson's new Brexit plan".

john80 wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

john80 wrote:

If you refuse to give people a platform you are effectively barring them. As a national public funded broadcaster you can't no platform someone because of their views, unless what they espouse is illegal. Any broadcaster being selective on what it is willing to show is showing bias.
It would be ridiculous for the private broadcasters' news programmes to be able to allow a broad range of opinions whilst the BBC was restricted to broadcasting a Terry & June view of the world.
Where I do agree with you and have stated so above is that people should be rigorously interviewed and challenged on their views.
We have been down this road with Choudry and others. This is a guy that thought holy war was fair play on UK soil because some Muslims in another country were not being allowed to create a backwards state. Be careful what you wish for unless you want the BBC full of religious fundamentalists and flat earthers etc. It should not be up to another guest on the show to spend 30 minutes ripping into someone else's views that the majority of society think are ridiculous.

How can they tell what the majority thinks
How big must the majority be
Will it be decided by a referendum
Will it be a binding 'advisory' referendum?

I have given you the example of Choudry which the BBC have been criticised for widely in giving air time to as lets face it whilst he might have been subtle I clearly took the view that he regarded aggression against non Muslims as totally acceptable if it forwarded his religious agenda. In 2016 he was sent to jail for these views. In the case of a flat earther should they be given a platform to set out a viewpoint that science had routinely proven to be nonsense. Creating conflict within shows purely for viewing figures is not where the BBC's serious news and political shows should be. I would expect a professional manager of these shows to be able to assess their proposed guests and what benefit they are bringing to the show and in both cases above someone with no talent for the role could have figured this out in advance. As for referendums it would seem that then the majority do not vote as you would wish then history is shown that they are ignored unless something changes on the 31st of October.

I would like to hear the opinions of climate change deniers and I don’t mean some ‘yard on the M4

Bonzo Banana wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Think it was more Thatcher than joining the EEC/EU which 'destroyed industries' but whatevs, have a whinge at the BBC why don't you?

Thatcher certainly did destroy some industries but I'd struggle to blame her for industries destroyed while she was out of office or even dead and there is huge evidence showing the damage the joining the EU has caused, some by EU policies and others purely because we couldn't compete with an over-valued pound and high level of wages in a EU free market that consists of many countries with much cheaper labour. Normally in such a free market as we stopped exporting so much the economy would go into recession and people's wages would be much lower slowing imports and making us more competitive for exports again but it seems UK governments just decided to borrow instead, propping up the value of the £ and causing more damage by excessive imports as they kept the economy from shrinking. It is unfair to burden future generations with the debt caused by living beyond our means. It's basic economics and I find it annoying that it something not dealt with by the media which doesn't seem to think such debt is important and follow an idealist agenda that is unsustainable. We won't be able to move away from Brexit until we work out a sustainable, realistic relationship with the EU otherwise even if Brexit is cancelled soon we will have Brexit #2 in a few years when the national debt is much higher and austerity much worse. There is no escaping the debt. It was £1.8 trillion in May which is about £60,000 of debt for every income tax payer in the UK (about 30 million I think). The worse thing is when lenders lose confidence in the UK economy and refuse to lend more money or ramp up interest rates and we have no more assets to sell off.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... /march2019

You have a reasonable understanding of economics but bizarrely try and link everything to EU membership.

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Bonzo Banana wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Think it was more Thatcher than joining the EEC/EU which 'destroyed industries' but whatevs, have a whinge at the BBC why don't you?

Thatcher certainly did destroy some industries but I'd struggle to blame her for industries destroyed while she was out of office or even dead and there is huge evidence showing the damage the joining the EU has caused, some by EU policies and others purely because we couldn't compete with an over-valued pound and high level of wages in a EU free market that consists of many countries with much cheaper labour. Normally in such a free market as we stopped exporting so much the economy would go into recession and people's wages would be much lower slowing imports and making us more competitive for exports again but it seems UK governments just decided to borrow instead, propping up the value of the £ and causing more damage by excessive imports as they kept the economy from shrinking. It is unfair to burden future generations with the debt caused by living beyond our means. It's basic economics and I find it annoying that it something not dealt with by the media which doesn't seem to think such debt is important and follow an idealist agenda that is unsustainable. We won't be able to move away from Brexit until we work out a sustainable, realistic relationship with the EU otherwise even if Brexit is cancelled soon we will have Brexit #2 in a few years when the national debt is much higher and austerity much worse. There is no escaping the debt. It was £1.8 trillion in May which is about £60,000 of debt for every income tax payer in the UK (about 30 million I think). The worse thing is when lenders lose confidence in the UK economy and refuse to lend more money or ramp up interest rates and we have no more assets to sell off.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... /march2019

You have a reasonable understanding of economics but bizarrely try and link everything to EU membership.

Why would you write such a strange comment. I've already accepted and agreed that Thatcher did a lot of damage so clearly haven't stated 'everything' is due to EU membership but yes the EU is in my view the main issue by a long way. Not only due to the trade deficit but also the huge payments we have made to them that we had to borrow to make. Something like 1/2 Trillion net has been paid to the EU and with compound interest that alone makes up a huge chunk of our national debt before you even include the issues of running a large trade deficit with the EU. So yes the EU has been hugely damaging to the UK economy and I don't see how anyone could see it any other way realistically considering the data. The only debatable bit really is whether EU policies have actually been very damaging to the UK, here you definitely can have different opinions as its more complicated and there is a mixture of both good and bad, overall in my opinion it is mainly bad but unless someone actually goes through the timeline since joining analysing the effects of such policies year by year it is more difficult. Certainly our government was prevented in intervening in many industries to prevent them disappearing due to EU rules and many EU tariffs have protected large industries on the EU mainland meaning here in the UK we are forced to pay more for goods from outside the EU, increasing the cost of such goods meaning an increased trade deficit as imports cost more and tend to favour higher cost products from the EU. For example e-bikes from China face up to a 80% tariff, so a e-bike from China that costs $500 instead costs $900 which allows EU assembled E-bikes made from mainly Chinese components to compete on price or even undercut Chinese e-bikes at lets say $850 that's a 70% increase in import costs to the UK for 1 e-bike and there are many EU tariffs across many industries.

Ultimately whatever your politics the current situation is unsustainable, building up more and more debt, I don't care what the solution is as long as there is a solution to this debt and trade deficit whether inside or outside the EU. I just want an end to moronic idealism and people constantly criticising everything but utterly clueless about a solution. If you fall into a hole in the ground you don't just criticise how rubbish it is being in that hole you climb out.

Bonzo Banana wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Bonzo Banana wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Think it was more Thatcher than joining the EEC/EU which 'destroyed industries' but whatevs, have a whinge at the BBC why don't you?

Thatcher certainly did destroy some industries but I'd struggle to blame her for industries destroyed while she was out of office or even dead and there is huge evidence showing the damage the joining the EU has caused, some by EU policies and others purely because we couldn't compete with an over-valued pound and high level of wages in a EU free market that consists of many countries with much cheaper labour. Normally in such a free market as we stopped exporting so much the economy would go into recession and people's wages would be much lower slowing imports and making us more competitive for exports again but it seems UK governments just decided to borrow instead, propping up the value of the £ and causing more damage by excessive imports as they kept the economy from shrinking. It is unfair to burden future generations with the debt caused by living beyond our means. It's basic economics and I find it annoying that it something not dealt with by the media which doesn't seem to think such debt is important and follow an idealist agenda that is unsustainable. We won't be able to move away from Brexit until we work out a sustainable, realistic relationship with the EU otherwise even if Brexit is cancelled soon we will have Brexit #2 in a few years when the national debt is much higher and austerity much worse. There is no escaping the debt. It was £1.8 trillion in May which is about £60,000 of debt for every income tax payer in the UK (about 30 million I think). The worse thing is when lenders lose confidence in the UK economy and refuse to lend more money or ramp up interest rates and we have no more assets to sell off.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governme ... /march2019

You have a reasonable understanding of economics but bizarrely try and link everything to EU membership.

Why would you write such a strange comment. I've already accepted and agreed that Thatcher did a lot of damage so clearly haven't stated 'everything' is due to EU membership but yes the EU is in my view the main issue by a long way. Not only due to the trade deficit but also the huge payments we have made to them that we had to borrow to make. Something like 1/2 Trillion net has been paid to the EU and with compound interest that alone makes up a huge chunk of our national debt before you even include the issues of running a large trade deficit with the EU. So yes the EU has been hugely damaging to the UK economy and I don't see how anyone could see it any other way realistically considering the data. The only debatable bit really is whether EU policies have actually been very damaging to the UK, here you definitely can have different opinions as its more complicated and there is a mixture of both good and bad, overall in my opinion it is mainly bad but unless someone actually goes through the timeline since joining analysing the effects of such policies year by year it is more difficult. Certainly our government was prevented in intervening in many industries to prevent them disappearing due to EU rules and many EU tariffs have protected large industries on the EU mainland meaning here in the UK we are forced to pay more for goods from outside the EU, increasing the cost of such goods meaning an increased trade deficit as imports cost more and tend to favour higher cost products from the EU. For example e-bikes from China face up to a 80% tariff, so a e-bike from China that costs $500 instead costs $900 which allows EU assembled E-bikes made from mainly Chinese components to compete on price or even undercut Chinese e-bikes at lets say $850 that's a 70% increase in import costs to the UK for 1 e-bike and there are many EU tariffs across many industries.

Ultimately whatever your politics the current situation is unsustainable, building up more and more debt, I don't care what the solution is as long as there is a solution to this debt and trade deficit whether inside or outside the EU. I just want an end to moronic idealism and people constantly criticising everything but utterly clueless about a solution. If you fall into a hole in the ground you don't just criticise how rubbish it is being in that hole you climb out.

Because nobody and I literally mean nobody thinks that EU membership is bad for the UK economy. I am including Farage and JRM in my nobody.

Things I disagree with;
Citation needed for half a trillion
Cheaper labour overseas is not an EU issue it is Asian
Not convinced £ is over-valued, even less convinced this is due to EU membership
Our trade deficit is not due to EU membership. If anything SM helps us export services.
Non-intervention is a Tory staple and as they have been in power more often than not over the last 45 years
tariffs on Chinese e-bikes should help BoP