Jaywalking uk
markyone
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It seems to me that pedestrians in the uk can just do what they like when crossing the rd giving motorist and cyclist not much chance of avoiding them.
I was cycling in the high st last sat when a woman just walked straight out in front of me with no warning whatsoever and nearly hitting her.
The crossing was 10 meters away but just could not be bothered to use it.
If you hit them in the uk either cycling or in a vehicle its always the cyclists or drivers fault and not the pedestrian,you then face the chance of being prosecuted for
careless driving etc.
Pedestrians constantly just walk out in any part of the rd with what seems to be no worry at all and its getting worse,especially when they are looking at there phones.
I was cycling in the high st last sat when a woman just walked straight out in front of me with no warning whatsoever and nearly hitting her.
The crossing was 10 meters away but just could not be bothered to use it.
If you hit them in the uk either cycling or in a vehicle its always the cyclists or drivers fault and not the pedestrian,you then face the chance of being prosecuted for
careless driving etc.
Pedestrians constantly just walk out in any part of the rd with what seems to be no worry at all and its getting worse,especially when they are looking at there phones.
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Can't speak for the North as they are probably too poor to afford cars.
jeez :roll:
Were you riding wanton & furiously?
All road users have some responsibility to be aware ot and protect other road users through sensible and couteous walking, riding or driving. That should be enough.
A Jaywalking law in the UK would further strengthen the perception in some parts that we are a pro-car hegemony. And... it would bring no benefits.
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Cyclists can't been heard as much as cars, or seen as much. If you're that concerned, maybe get a bell and do everything you can to be heard and more visible. Otherwise, it is what it is innit, it's happened now.
There will always be someone out there to fu ck with your life.
without giving a censored ,but if you hit one you will be prosecuted
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Does it make any difference?
I am not sure. You have no chance.
Yeah, I hear what you are saying.
It's not right saying that you will be prosecuted though, it could happen, but if so then what actually happened will be looked at and conclusions drawn.
It won't be the last time a pedestrian walks out on you if you cycle near pedestrians. If you want to lessen your chances of hitting one of these ones that walk out unaware of you then you can always try to make yourself more seen and heard like I said. And/or slow down, and/or treat everyone like they might just walk out on you.
If hitting them doesn't bother you but prosecution does, then make sure it is not your fault at all, your case would be strengthened if you had done your best to be seen and heard and are not going too quickly.
in london you have to ride on the assumption that everyone else is a malicious twunt out to get you
alternatively, if a pedestrian walks out without looking...
they're not sleep walking, it's a deliberate act, they had the option to pay attention and avoid putting others at risk
instead, they chose to risk your life
get off bike
slap them, hard - it's provably self defence, they just put your life at risk
get back on bike, depart
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No. About 4 hours ago a youth stepped in the road in front of my vehicle with absolutely zero consideration and we were within millimetres of contact. I was driving a double decker bus. There's no way he didn't see or indeed hear me. I know this because he looked at me before he stepped out. He just didn't care. Were it not for the fact I was already at walking pace due to crowded city centre filled with pi$$heads I'd be reciting this story with a solicitor next to me rather than through my keyboard.
Everything is too safe these days. We need a new threat to cull the dumb out of the species.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
Where I live I sometimes have to walk down the quite narrow country lane that passes by our house. Often a car will be going a some pace towards us, if you immediately jump into the hedge they never slow down and can pass by very close well over the 30mph speed limit. If you hesitate they have to come to a full stop and then pass by slowly or let you walk past, all much better really.
When driving the same road myself I very often come to a halt and let the pedestrians walk by the stationary car. Going very slowly is almost mandatory, very often I avoid a head-on-collision with another car, not used to the road, who are going far too fast for the conditions.
In towns I apply the same principle, soft bodied pedestrians have priority. On my bike or in my car it's my job to avoid hitting anyone by riding or driving appropriately.
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As a result stupid thrives. Look at Brexit and Trump.
I do feel for your family, and not all are stupid (ie don't really care) but do make a momentary lapse.
Without going into details (note not an incident involving me) I've seen a colleagues life ruined by someone who literally just stepped out in front of him. For every 'stupid' who doesn't beat Darwin there's also someone behind the wheel who is often blameless. This guy ended up surrendering his whole license (car too) to the DVLA after more than a year of counselling and now works in ASDA. I've always told myself that if I were ever involved in something like this, as long as I knew I was at no fault I'd just get by. I'm not necessarily convinced by this any more.
No RTC is pretty, but so, so many could be avoided. A driving instructor once told me "...there's no such thing as an accident, but plenty of collisions that someone (or more than one person) failed to plan for..."
I doubt it. Dullards are breeding much faster than evolutionary selection can get rid of them.
Presumably he would have to be ringing the bell constantly, which would be tiresome.
Since the jaywalking laws were introduced in the US under pressure from the powerful car lobby (to protect poor drivers from the stress of hitting pedestrians etc) I'd agree.
Before this it was up to the motorist not to maim and kill vulnerable road users and to drive appropriately for the conditions which imo is the way it should still be. As cyclists we especially rely on this kind of attitude to keep us safe.
Honestly, some of you posting on here sound like DM readers discussing cyclists.
I agree with these sentiments - even though pedestrians can be inconsiderate and do dangerous things, we owe them a duty of care. In central park here in NYC the city banned (most) cars from the road that loops around park about a year ago, and the result has been a substantial increase in both cyclists and pedestrians using the road, and a substantial decrease in cyclist injuries. But unfortunately, pedestrian injuries tripled in the past year, in comparison with the previous year.
Most cyclists ignore the traffic lights, many regularly exceed the posted speed limit of 25 mph, (Strava segments throughout) so there is often no way for elderly or disabled pedestrians to feel safe crossing the road. Do some pedestrians and tourists walk in the road while texting? Yes, it's pretty common, but that's not going to end anytime soon regardless of how much it may irk me.
clubbies, eh. Think they own the road.
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Don't you like being able to look both ways and cross a street pretty much anywhere as a pedestrian? London would be a much lesser place to be if foot traffic was tunnelled around barriered off roads. It would feel even more tunnelly.
Was about to post the same. And just look at the state of driving in this country currently, and the shockingly low amounts of prosecutions/proper sentencing even with drivers that are provably in the wrong - we don't want them to run riot even more!!!!