The Lib Dems have gotten kind of Taliban, haven’t they? They’ve said they’re just going to revoke, there’s not going to be another referendum.
Tim Farron @timfarron
Come on Emily, if we really were like a Middle East terrorist group, don’t you think Jeremy would’ve invited us to a conference fringe meeting before now?
Hi Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon. As a born and bred Glaswegian now living in England - I am insulted that you claim a mandate to stop us leaving the EU on behalf of all Scots. (Oh sorry - should I have used your sound-bite "CRASHING OUT"?)
There are no constituencies in a referendum. You were on the wrong side of the biggest democratic vote in British history.
Pipe down.
The biggest confidence trick in British history is what you really mean.
Anyway, we are not destined to get out of this mess. It's the end game all right: in the decline and fall of the British Empire. The break up of the UK is inevitable. Stop moaning and accept the inevitable, pal. You will be sent back Glasgow in due course.
You make a lot of points, though there may be a stewards enquiry as to whether I should "be sent back to Glasgow" - my mum was English.
I have a cunning plan. Sir Dave Brailsford should be put in charge of the wind farms. Marginal gains, low friction, energy efficiency, wind resistance, maximum watts. Within 10 years we'll be knocking out kick censored wind turbines. People trying to sell fossil fuels will be so old hat. It'll be like the industrial revolution all over again.
What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.
Hard border innit.
If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...
First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.
That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.
They haven’t.
Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.
It wasn't. The UK wide backstop was the UK's idea. The NI only backstop which came first was the EU's idea. The problem being that it is not consistent with the GFA/BA.
What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.
Hard border innit.
If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...
First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.
That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.
They haven’t.
Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.
It wasn't. The UK wide backstop was the UK's idea. The NI only backstop which came first was the EU's idea. The problem being that it is not consistent with the GFA/BA.
That is a simplistic (Brexiteer) interpretation touted by Johnson.
Unfortunately any peace in Ireland is underpinned by the UK being in the EU. As Maggie would have said: "there is no alternative" (TINA).
Other than to renegotiate the so-called Good Friday Agreement.
That'd be fun, and I am sure Johnson would commit to doing it before the end of the month if it furthered his career.
That'll be the non existent (AFAWK) alternatives to the UK proposal which was rejected by the UK parliament 3 times then? Yes, I can see why the EU is getting the blame.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
That'll be the non existent (AFAWK) alternatives to the UK proposal which was rejected by the UK parliament 3 times then? Yes, I can see why the EU is getting the blame.
That'll be the non existent (AFAWK) alternatives to the UK proposal which was rejected by the UK parliament 3 times then? Yes, I can see why the EU is getting the blame.
So what's your idea?
If we are serious about protecting UK economy and Irish border then do a Norway with a view that it will either be permanent or a transition period (10 years) until we see an alternative that is beneficial to us.
My solution is to revoke A30. It was an advisory vote and right now is looking like a bloody stupid idea. Yes there will be fallout but there will be fallout with every outcome.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.
Hard border innit.
If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...
First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.
That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.
They haven’t.
Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.
We are talking about alternatives to the backstop now - in case you forgot, the deal with the backbackstop was rejected 3 times by parliament.
Yeah so it’s the U.K. rejecting everything. Glad that’s cleared up.
All the suggestions since the WA from the U.K. are nonesense as they require the EU to either fully undermine its entire premise, or don’t solve the problem.
What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.
Hard border innit.
If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...
I seem to recall it was us who wanted to leave.
They don't have to make it easy, or fair.
And they have their own citizens and interests to protect.
Plus... most of our proposals have been unworkable. Or destroyed the GFA, which the EU underwrote.
What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.
Hard border innit.
If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...
First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.
That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.
They haven’t.
Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.
We are talking about alternatives to the backstop now - in case you forgot, the deal with the backbackstop was rejected 3 times by parliament.
Yeah so it’s the U.K. rejecting everything. Glad that’s cleared up.
All the suggestions since the WA from the U.K. are nonesense as they require the EU to either fully undermine its entire premise, or don’t solve the problem.
Rock and a hard place really unless one side gives, which looks unlikely at present (unless there is some change on the UK political front) - as there's no real overlap between the EU and UK positions on the Irish issue. Hence my guess of a 50% chance of a no deal.
For fear of repetition.
It's a basic logic problem.
You either have regulatory alignment across the entire island of Ireland or across the whole of the UK. The decision made there dictates where the regulatory border is. On land or in the sea.
A=B
B=C
A<>C
is a logical fallacy.
A = Laws of Mainland GB
B = Laws of NI
C = Laws of Eire
Compromise is always an option but it seems it is OK for ERG and Dup to refuse to compromise but not for EU.
Sea border is the simple solution if you remove emotion from the equation but this is Brexit.
That'll be the non existent (AFAWK) alternatives to the UK proposal which was rejected by the UK parliament 3 times then? Yes, I can see why the EU is getting the blame.
So what's your idea?
If we are serious about protecting UK economy and Irish border then do a Norway with a view that it will either be permanent or a transition period (10 years) until we see an alternative that is beneficial to us.
This seems eminently sensible and would allow a resonable compromise giving both sides a lot of what they want. I don't understand why it's not even being considered?
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You make a lot of points, though there may be a stewards enquiry as to whether I should "be sent back to Glasgow" - my mum was English.
I have a cunning plan. Sir Dave Brailsford should be put in charge of the wind farms. Marginal gains, low friction, energy efficiency, wind resistance, maximum watts. Within 10 years we'll be knocking out kick censored wind turbines. People trying to sell fossil fuels will be so old hat. It'll be like the industrial revolution all over again.
The Empire will be saved.
Hard border innit.
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Commuter
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.
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Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
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Commuter
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
They haven’t.
Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.
So is Brexit. Just in case we forget
It wasn't. The UK wide backstop was the UK's idea. The NI only backstop which came first was the EU's idea. The problem being that it is not consistent with the GFA/BA.
That is a simplistic (Brexiteer) interpretation touted by Johnson.
Unfortunately any peace in Ireland is underpinned by the UK being in the EU. As Maggie would have said: "there is no alternative" (TINA).
Other than to renegotiate the so-called Good Friday Agreement.
That'd be fun, and I am sure Johnson would commit to doing it before the end of the month if it furthered his career.
Bruiser
Panzer
Commuter
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
I am not sure. You have no chance.
Bruiser
Panzer
Commuter
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
If we are serious about protecting UK economy and Irish border then do a Norway with a view that it will either be permanent or a transition period (10 years) until we see an alternative that is beneficial to us.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
Nevertheless the ball is in our court as the prime minister has accepted.
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To me it seems grossly offensive that LDs should beat Labour by % and end up with less than 60% the number of seats Labour has.
System is utterly f*cked.
Yeah so it’s the U.K. rejecting everything. Glad that’s cleared up.
All the suggestions since the WA from the U.K. are nonesense as they require the EU to either fully undermine its entire premise, or don’t solve the problem.
He should have stayed at home with his girlfriend.
They don't have to make it easy, or fair.
And they have their own citizens and interests to protect.
Plus... most of our proposals have been unworkable. Or destroyed the GFA, which the EU underwrote.
It's just a hill. Get over it.
Bruiser
Panzer
Commuter
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
It's a basic logic problem.
You either have regulatory alignment across the entire island of Ireland or across the whole of the UK. The decision made there dictates where the regulatory border is. On land or in the sea.
A=B
B=C
A<>C
is a logical fallacy.
A = Laws of Mainland GB
B = Laws of NI
C = Laws of Eire
Compromise is always an option but it seems it is OK for ERG and Dup to refuse to compromise but not for EU.
Sea border is the simple solution if you remove emotion from the equation but this is Brexit.
This seems eminently sensible and would allow a resonable compromise giving both sides a lot of what they want. I don't understand why it's not even being considered?