Chris Froome
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Der Kaiser wrote:Sebastian Reichenbach crashes the most IMO.
The Reichenbach Falls?
I'll get my gillet!
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That was olive oil chucked on the slabs apparently. Fan sabotage.phreak wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:phreak wrote:Denis Menchov was prone to crashing quite regularly I seem to recall. Sure he managed it once when going up hill, which was quite something.
Yeah.
Rarely hurt himself though.
Did prompt a nice and induced rage at the end of the 2009 Giro though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPt9tsnzXLc"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
mididoctors wrote:
That was olive oil chucked on the slabs apparently. Fan sabotage.phreak wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:phreak wrote:Denis Menchov was prone to crashing quite regularly I seem to recall. Sure he managed it once when going up hill, which was quite something.
Yeah.
Rarely hurt himself though.
Did prompt a nice and induced rage at the end of the 2009 Giro though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPt9tsnzXLc
Mrs di Luca did a good job to be fair.0 -
phreak wrote:mididoctors wrote:
That was olive oil chucked on the slabs apparently. Fan sabotage.phreak wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:phreak wrote:Denis Menchov was prone to crashing quite regularly I seem to recall. Sure he managed it once when going up hill, which was quite something.
Yeah.
Rarely hurt himself though.
Did prompt a nice and induced rage at the end of the 2009 Giro though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPt9tsnzXLc
Mrs di Luca did a good job to be fair.
LOL that would be a classic, sadly its just because its wet
Classic edition though Prime Cavendish and Pettachi, Di Luca on the CERA and Pelizzoti got busted too I think lolololol Those were the days0 -
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Really well I never."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I think Froome and Thomas crash a lot because they don't race enough. They're always training alone in controlled environments. They lack bike-handling skill that comes with regular racing in a peleton. I know Froome's last one was a TT recce, but it was caused by simple lack of bike-handling.Savoie between the Glandon and the Madeleine.0
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One is an Olympic medal winning track cyclist, the other is a seven time GT winner, both have spent many years cycling solo, in groups while training and racing in large pelotons. They lack bike handling skills?0
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Huret wrote:I think Froome and Thomas crash a lot because they don't race enough. They're always training alone in controlled environments. They lack bike-handling skill that comes with regular racing in a peloton. I know Froome's last one was a TT recce, but it was caused by simple lack of bike-handling.
How many crashes has Froome actually had?
I recall this year's freak TT recon, last year's Giro TT warm up, clipping a low wall at the Vuelta, sliding out in the extreme wet on the Joux Plane descent at the Tour in 2016 (when he was far from the only one to crash), but getting straight back on his bike, and his crash(es) on the cobbled stage of the Tour in 2014.
Have I missed loads more that justify the comments from the likes of Huret?0 -
Dorset Boy wrote:Have I missed loads more that justify the comments from the likes of Huret?
Go on Twitter and you will see the picture of him crashing into a marshall at his first Worlds TT. Everything is based on that, pretty much.
It also ignores the fact that the marshall walked right across him as he started the course, but hey ....2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
Dorset Boy wrote:Huret wrote:I think Froome and Thomas crash a lot because they don't race enough. They're always training alone in controlled environments. They lack bike-handling skill that comes with regular racing in a peloton. I know Froome's last one was a TT recce, but it was caused by simple lack of bike-handling.
How many crashes has Froome actually had?
I recall this year's freak TT recon, last year's Giro TT warm up, clipping a low wall at the Vuelta, sliding out in the extreme wet on the Joux Plane descent at the Tour in 2016 (when he was far from the only one to crash), but getting straight back on his bike, and his crash(es) on the cobbled stage of the Tour in 2014.
Have I missed loads more that justify the comments from the likes of Huret?
I remember him sliding out on an innocuous corner at the vuelta a couple of years ago, got straight back on but still.0 -
they don't you know. one is a risk taker, the other unlucky.... or both unlucky...Gethinceri wrote:One is an Olympic medal winning track cyclist, the other is a seven time GT winner, both have spent many years cycling solo, in groups while training and racing in large pelotons. They lack bike handling skills?0 -
Dorset Boy wrote:Huret wrote:I think Froome and Thomas crash a lot because they don't race enough. They're always training alone in controlled environments. They lack bike-handling skill that comes with regular racing in a peloton. I know Froome's last one was a TT recce, but it was caused by simple lack of bike-handling.
How many crashes has Froome actually had?
I recall this year's freak TT recon, last year's Giro TT warm up, clipping a low wall at the Vuelta, sliding out in the extreme wet on the Joux Plane descent at the Tour in 2016 (when he was far from the only one to crash), but getting straight back on his bike, and his crash(es) on the cobbled stage of the Tour in 2014.
Have I missed loads more that justify the comments from the likes of Huret?
It's just yet another example of if people say it often enough it becomes a fact. Even if Froome is crashing regularly they plainly aren't bad as he doesn't lose time as a rule and hasn't quit a GT since that 2014 Tour. I think a lot of it comes from the fact that he looks awkward on a bike (there was that bit in 2012?? where he was struggling to do the riding in a line hands free with all his team mates) and I seem to recall him having a few crashes in Tirreno Adriatico the one season that may have started it though I could be imagining that.
Geraint seems to crash more regularly but I can't recall many where it was his fault e.g. he got taken out by Barguil on the Col du Manse at the 2015 Tour. There was one season where he had a few along with several other Sky riders and people were questioning whether it was an equipment issue. You don't become a world class rider in mass start track events without being a decent bike handler.
If you are racing in a group of 200 cyclists then you are going to spend a fair amount of time on the deck in your career, it's often impossible to avoid crashing and trying to do so often leads to even more people hitting the ground. Even Sagan has crashed a few times in the last couple of years and people rave about his bike handling.0 -
It's a shame that PCS doesn't record the numbers of crashes riders are involved in each season.0
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Others off the top of my headDorset Boy wrote:Huret wrote:I think Froome and Thomas crash a lot because they don't race enough. They're always training alone in controlled environments. They lack bike-handling skill that comes with regular racing in a peloton. I know Froome's last one was a TT recce, but it was caused by simple lack of bike-handling.
How many crashes has Froome actually had?
I recall this year's freak TT recon, last year's Giro TT warm up, clipping a low wall at the Vuelta, sliding out in the extreme wet on the Joux Plane descent at the Tour in 2016 (when he was far from the only one to crash), but getting straight back on his bike, and his crash(es) on the cobbled stage of the Tour in 2014.
Have I missed loads more that justify the comments from the likes of Huret?
2014 Dauphine
2013 Tour (stage 1 neutral zone)
Tour of Colombia
2017 Tour in the wet (remember the photo)
2017 or 18 Tour - crashed into Moscon on cobbles
2017 Vuelta on the stage I saw
2018 Tour - bumped into a field by Kittel
He's pretty robust though. He falls well.Twitter: @RichN950 -
He did crash twice in 1 tour breaking a separate wrist in each one.0
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RichN95 wrote:
Others off the top of my headDorset Boy wrote:Huret wrote:I think Froome and Thomas crash a lot because they don't race enough. They're always training alone in controlled environments. They lack bike-handling skill that comes with regular racing in a peloton. I know Froome's last one was a TT recce, but it was caused by simple lack of bike-handling.
How many crashes has Froome actually had?
I recall this year's freak TT recon, last year's Giro TT warm up, clipping a low wall at the Vuelta, sliding out in the extreme wet on the Joux Plane descent at the Tour in 2016 (when he was far from the only one to crash), but getting straight back on his bike, and his crash(es) on the cobbled stage of the Tour in 2014.
Have I missed loads more that justify the comments from the likes of Huret?
2014 Dauphine
2013 Tour (stage 1 neutral zone)
Tour of Colombia
2017 Tour in the wet (remember the photo)
2017 or 18 Tour - crashed into Moscon on cobbles
2017 Vuelta on the stage I saw
2018 Tour - bumped into a field by Kittel
He's pretty robust though. He falls well.
Which was the one with the superb photo? Was that the Moscon cobble crash?0 -
There are two spectacular photos of Froome crashesPross wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Others off the top of my headDorset Boy wrote:Huret wrote:I think Froome and Thomas crash a lot because they don't race enough. They're always training alone in controlled environments. They lack bike-handling skill that comes with regular racing in a peloton. I know Froome's last one was a TT recce, but it was caused by simple lack of bike-handling.
How many crashes has Froome actually had?
I recall this year's freak TT recon, last year's Giro TT warm up, clipping a low wall at the Vuelta, sliding out in the extreme wet on the Joux Plane descent at the Tour in 2016 (when he was far from the only one to crash), but getting straight back on his bike, and his crash(es) on the cobbled stage of the Tour in 2014.
Have I missed loads more that justify the comments from the likes of Huret?
2014 Dauphine
2013 Tour (stage 1 neutral zone)
Tour of Colombia
2017 Tour in the wet (remember the photo)
2017 or 18 Tour - crashed into Moscon on cobbles
2017 Vuelta on the stage I saw
2018 Tour - bumped into a field by Kittel
He's pretty robust though. He falls well.
Which was the one with the superb photo? Was that the Moscon cobble crash?
One was on the cobbles:
The other a wet roundabout:
Little he could do to avoid either of them.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Shirley Basso wrote:He did crash twice in 1 tour breaking a separate wrist in each one.
The first was a europcar rider taking him out. The second was because he was riding with a broken wrist."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Problem is there's context to be taking into account in all of these instances - How many of the listed crashes could you actually attribute to Froome? Also would getting tangled in the neutral zone have even been noticed if it wasn't Froome who it happened to?0
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You would need to go through the analysis for some other riders as well... ideally divide the number of race kilometres by the number of crashes so you get number of race kms per crash, then you could make some sensible comparisons.0
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bobmcstuff wrote:You would need to go through the analysis for some other riders as well... ideally divide the number of race kilometres by the number of crashes so you get number of race kms per crash, then you could make some sensible comparisons.
Even then, what you going to do - blame G for the time that Barguil took him out, or Froome for the time that Contador decked it on the descent into Gap? There's far too many variables to make totting up numbers work as an accurate way of measuring bike handling skills0 -
I dunno ..over a long time the stats must reflect something. A measure of the ability to see the crash coming .... Even if it's someone elses fault is it a measure of how good or bad someone is at making "the save" ? Froome and G and others are crashy. Even if it is freak bad luck sometimes.
I would add that froome handles his bike better than 99.9% of all the neo mamils I encounter so it's somewhat relative.
Edit: in effect I am saying froome isn't a bad cyclist so much as the many of the peloton are even better handlers than him."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
ShutupJens wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:You would need to go through the analysis for some other riders as well... ideally divide the number of race kilometres by the number of crashes so you get number of race kms per crash, then you could make some sensible comparisons.
Even then, what you going to do - blame G for the time that Barguil took him out, or Froome for the time that Contador decked it on the descent into Gap? There's far too many variables to make totting up numbers work as an accurate way of measuring bike handling skills
Yeah, as mididoctors says the benefit of looking over a long period of time it should mean something. It should also smooth out the random bad luck crashes a bit because you'll have less noise.
I would suggest though that if someone is consistently getting taken out by other riders more than someone else it might say something about their bunch positioning and avoidance skills.0 -
Colleague has had dozens of car accidents that weren't his fault. Lack of attention and failure to anticipate actions of others.0
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gsk82 wrote:Shirley Basso wrote:He did crash twice in 1 tour breaking a separate wrist in each one.
The first was a europcar rider taking him out. The second was because he was riding with a broken wrist.
Yeah sorry I was mentioning them not blaming him.0 -
Doesn't say much for his book on Mediterranean cooking...Rick Chasey wrote:A google of Menchov and olive oil brings up.......this thread.Half man, Half bike0 -
Froome looks better, but the Lion looks concerned he might get dropped.0 -
Not forgetting he still (just about) has tan lines, so must be out riding his bike each day.0
