May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

rjsterry wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

Or suggests MF doesn't really know what a fascist is.

Maybe if he knows any Italians he could ask them ;-)

Matthewfalle wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

nope. they all are. not one iota of care for the greater good in any of their bodies

#fascists

Hmmm...looks like I may need to goose step round to your house with a few chums in brown shirts and dispel a few myths.

Stevo 666 wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

nope. they all are. not one iota of care for the greater good in any of their bodies

#fascists

Hmmm...looks like I may need to goose step round to your house with a few chums in brown shirts
and dispel a few myths.

Ah hah. The truth is coming out.

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

nope. they all are. not one iota of care for the greater good in any of their bodies

#fascists

Hmmm...looks like I may need to goose step round to your house with a few chums in brown shirts
and dispel a few myths.

Ah hah. The truth is coming out.

You are on ze list also, Herr Looney

We have have learnt well from our esteemed European partners.

The Tory party is far too incompetent and self-serving to be a proper fascist organisation. Instead they are a collection of individual fascists who couldn't even organise a night of the long knives in a butchers shop.

I'm not sure they can recover from this whole farce, the divisions are too big to be sorted out by a new leader especially as that leader is likely to lead them further to the right.

Stevo 666 wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

nope. they all are. not one iota of care for the greater good in any of their bodies

#fascists

Hmmm...looks like I may need to goose step round to your house with a few chums in brown shirts
and dispel a few myths.

Ah hah. The truth is coming out.

You are on ze list also, Herr Looney

We have have learnt well from our esteemed European partners.

The Tory party is far too incompetent and self-serving to be a proper fascist organisation. Instead they are a collection of individual fascists who couldn't even organise a night of the long knives in a butchers shop.

In a way you're right, as many of our European partners did actually have a real fascist party or far right dictatorship in power.

Claiming that the Tories are fascist is just lazy leftiebollox or ignorance.

Oops, did I just sink your battleship. Quel dommage..

Of all the Tory MEPs to have lost their seats why did Hannan have to keep his

john80 wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

nope. they all are. not one iota of care for the greater good in any of their bodies

#fascists

I have voted Tory since those Labour twats chose to introduce tuition fees and saddle intelligent engineers such as myself with debt. I was down the local sailing club teaching kids how to sail at the weekend. Didn't even get paid. I have just given you one example of a historically Tory voter doing something for the greater good of society and a whole party doing something that was definitely bad for society. But then this is the internet where the use of the word "all" is routinely used incorrectly.

So the consequence of your anger regarding the act of increasing the debt on a broadly/commonly privileged sector of society is to shift from left wing to right wing?

This summarises why politics is so difficult now. It's Turkeys voting for Christmas. Once you identify yourself as someone who will vote against your own best interests (feel free to analogise to Brexit) you are sending a message to those in power that there is absolutely no point in them considering your needs; even if they do give you what you want you'll still vote against them. There should be a special category in the Darwin awards for this.

john80 wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

john80 wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

nope. they all are. not one iota of care for the greater good in any of their bodies

#fascists

I have voted Tory since those Labour twats chose to introduce tuition fees and saddle intelligent engineers such as myself with debt. I was down the local sailing club teaching kids how to sail at the weekend. Didn't even get paid. I have just given you one example of a historically Tory voter doing something for the greater good of society and a whole party doing something that was definitely bad for society. But then this is the internet where the use of the word "all" is routinely used incorrectly.

So the consequence of your anger regarding the act of increasing the debt on a broadly/commonly privileged sector of society is to shift from left wing to right wing?

This summarises why politics is so difficult now. It's Turkeys voting for Christmas. Once you identify yourself as someone who will vote against your own best interests (feel free to analogise to Brexit) you are sending a message to those in power that there is absolutely no point in them considering your needs; even if they do give you what you want you'll still vote against them. There should be a special category in the Darwin awards for this.

Yeah I am sure that first generation graduate from a modest background considers the act of getting educated and working hard makes him from a privileged sector of society. Universal debt regardless of background really assisted those not from families where the debt could just be paid off by the parents and was irrelevant.

We have had 50 years of removing industry from the economy as if increasing productivity and providing well paid jobs was somehow a bad idea. It was a much better idea to buy in all these services for some bizarre reasoning.

Have you thought this through?

john80 wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

nope. they all are. not one iota of care for the greater good in any of their bodies

#fascists

I have voted Tory since those Labour twats chose to introduce tuition fees and saddle intelligent engineers such as myself with debt. I was down the local sailing club teaching kids how to sail at the weekend. Didn't even get paid. I have just given you one example of a historically Tory voter doing something for the greater good of society and a whole party doing something that was definitely bad for society. But then this is the internet where the use of the word "all" is routinely used incorrectly.

What about the Tory twats who tripled the fees?

rjsterry wrote:

john80 wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

john80 wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pross wrote:

whoever wins is unlikely to survive long and it will hopefully kill their career permanently.

A last hoorah for a Henry?

#fascistTories

Saying Tories are facists is like saying Labour supporters are Marxist. Some are, not all.

nope. they all are. not one iota of care for the greater good in any of their bodies

#fascists

I have voted Tory since those Labour twats chose to introduce tuition fees and saddle intelligent engineers such as myself with debt. I was down the local sailing club teaching kids how to sail at the weekend. Didn't even get paid. I have just given you one example of a historically Tory voter doing something for the greater good of society and a whole party doing something that was definitely bad for society. But then this is the internet where the use of the word "all" is routinely used incorrectly.

So the consequence of your anger regarding the act of increasing the debt on a broadly/commonly privileged sector of society is to shift from left wing to right wing?

This summarises why politics is so difficult now. It's Turkeys voting for Christmas. Once you identify yourself as someone who will vote against your own best interests (feel free to analogise to Brexit) you are sending a message to those in power that there is absolutely no point in them considering your needs; even if they do give you what you want you'll still vote against them. There should be a special category in the Darwin awards for this.

Yeah I am sure that first generation graduate from a modest background considers the act of getting educated and working hard makes him from a privileged sector of society. Universal debt regardless of background really assisted those not from families where the debt could just be paid off by the parents and was irrelevant.

We have had 50 years of removing industry from the economy as if increasing productivity and providing well paid jobs was somehow a bad idea. It was a much better idea to buy in all these services for some bizarre reasoning.

If as an engineering graduate you can make a decent living then that does put you at an advantage. If for whatever reason that degree doesn't lead to a higher income then you don't have to repay the debt. Point is, free university places were a massive give away to a majority of students, who were from that privileged sector of society where it was just expected.

One of the reasons Britain lost its ascendancy in the late years of the 19th century and ever after was the way in which its rivals educated and trained their populations. Conservative Britain was was wary of allowing the lower orders an education lest it led to discontent. They certainly had a point as in Germany there had been a revolt in 1848 which had to be crushed. Many educated Germans emigrated, some to the UK where they were very successful, starting businesses that thrived and brought prosperity. A great number of those and other businesses lost their investment in the 60s, 70s and 80s. They were absorbed by foreign buyers or asset stripped. The rise of banking and retail followed.

Today the UK is woefully short of significantly large companies that are at the leading edge of modern science and technology. We are a nation of relatively poorly educated consumers and borrowers, very ill-equipped to make our way in a post-Brexit role.