Really wanted Croatia to win that, so at least we could say that England only lost by a goal to the eventual champions. Oh well, football never ceases to disappoint me.
Really wanted Croatia to win that, so at least we could say that England only lost by a goal to the eventual champions. Oh well, football never ceases to disappoint me.
now thats really grabbing at straws.......
Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
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This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
Really wanted Croatia to win that, so at least we could say that England only lost by a goal to the eventual champions. Oh well, football never ceases to disappoint me.
If you read the comments beneath some reports you will be encouraged to know that Croatia were in fact the moral victors and by far the better players and France only won because they cheated, biased ref and so on. Their defeat means they will receive a mere $28m dollars in prize money instead of the $38m the French players share (minus income tax, no doubt).
Do not be disappointed: both teams will return home to a heroes welcome and their richly deserved multi-million pound salaries.
Really wanted Croatia to win that, so at least we could say that England only lost by a goal to the eventual champions. Oh well, football never ceases to disappoint me.
If you read the comments beneath some reports you will be encouraged to know that Croatia were in fact the moral victors and by far the better players and France only won because they cheated, biased ref and so on. Their defeat means they will receive a mere $28m dollars in prize money instead of the $38m the French players share (minus income tax, no doubt).
Do not be disappointed: both teams will return home to a heroes welcome and their richly deserved multi-million pound salaries.
Aw, are you begrudging people being paid a lot for having world class skill in the world’s most popular sport?
Really wanted Croatia to win that, so at least we could say that England only lost by a goal to the eventual champions. Oh well, football never ceases to disappoint me.
If you read the comments beneath some reports you will be encouraged to know that Croatia were in fact the moral victors and by far the better players and France only won because they cheated, biased ref and so on. Their defeat means they will receive a mere $28m dollars in prize money instead of the $38m the French players share (minus income tax, no doubt).
Do not be disappointed: both teams will return home to a heroes welcome and their richly deserved multi-million pound salaries.
Aw, are you begrudging people being paid a lot for having world class skill in the world’s most popular sport?
Diddums.
Ha Ha! I knew I'd catch someone Very quick bite Rick.
The tournament has been excellent fomr start to finish but, by way of a post mortem on one aspect of the World Cup, what are the feelings on VAR?
Ultimately can be a good thing. Having the World cup used as the trail for it for many of the officials though seemed a curious thing. Still delivered contentious decisions and the definition of "clear and obvious error" might need some work
The tournament has been excellent fomr start to finish but, by way of a post mortem on one aspect of the World Cup, what are the feelings on VAR?
Take a panel of VAR refs, sit them in a room and show them hundreds and hundreds of controversial incidents from past games. Then don't use VAR until all the refs come to the same conclusion on every incident which may involve some changes to the laws of the game.
So many of its failings would have been address if they had done that.
The main problem is that you show something in slow motion and actions start to look deliberate, when they aren't.
Penalty yesterday would be a prime example - watch it in real time and is seems impossible that he could have deliberately handballed - run it in slow motion and it looks like he is trying to do it.
Then combine that with the fact that the ref only gets called over to review a penalty decision if the VAR team thinks there is a clear and obvious foul, it becomes pretty hard for the ref to then overrule them and not give it.
Hopefully once VAR has been in use for a while they'll get the hang of it - most of the time it did improve the standard of refereeing.
If England had played in the Premier League last year where do you think they would have come;
a) Champions
b) top 4
c) also rans with Chelsea/Arsenal
d) Mid table mediocrity - Everton/Burnley
I reckon top 4 would be a reasonable target for that squad.
If you ignore extra time, England played 7, won 3, drew 2 and lost 2. So 11 points in 7 games translates to 59/60 over 38 games. That would have placed them 7th last year.
I know that doesn't mean a lot in reality, are any teams in the premier league as bad as Panama or Tunisia and there are plenty better than Belgium and Croatia.
So a more fair comparison might be where they'd have finished in the championship - using the same logic about 8th or 9th.
The main problem is that you show something in slow motion and actions start to look deliberate, when they aren't.
Penalty yesterday would be a prime example - watch it in real time and is seems impossible that he could have deliberately handballed - run it in slow motion and it looks like he is trying to do it.
Then combine that with the fact that the ref only gets called over to review a penalty decision if the VAR team thinks there is a clear and obvious foul, it becomes pretty hard for the ref to then overrule them and not give it.
Hopefully once VAR has been in use for a while they'll get the hang of it - most of the time it did improve the standard of refereeing.
The VAR decision yesterday was the perfect reason why it is needed. The referee missed the handball and VAR corrected that decision.
It was a clear penalty because the defender knew late that he was in the wrong position for the flight of the ball so intentionally raised his leg and lowered his arm to get something in the way to stop/deflect the ball.
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England were actually dier. If they’d had a hard group, they wouldn’t have made it out. Same old England, different day.
That is very harsh, England did as expected against who they played, no more no less. They made the most of a favourable draw and some "bigger" teams going out early.
Which teams at a similar level to England did better?
England were actually dier. If they’d had a hard group, they wouldn’t have made it out. Same old England, different day.
That is very harsh, England did as expected against who they played, no more no less. They made the most of a favourable draw and some "bigger" teams going out early.
Which teams at a similar level to England did better?
England were actually dier. If they’d had a hard group, they wouldn’t have made it out. Same old England, different day.
That is very harsh, England did as expected against who they played, no more no less. They made the most of a favourable draw and some "bigger" teams going out early.
Which teams at a similar level to England did better?
Belgium. They belted us twice.
No, Belgium have two world class midfielders, we haven't.
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I did think about the money angle but in FIFA terms the revenue for that single game is peanuts, it's not like they really need it.
Is it really possible that he has never heard of the bloke before?
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now thats really grabbing at straws.......
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
If you read the comments beneath some reports you will be encouraged to know that Croatia were in fact the moral victors and by far the better players and France only won because they cheated, biased ref and so on. Their defeat means they will receive a mere $28m dollars in prize money instead of the $38m the French players share (minus income tax, no doubt).
Do not be disappointed: both teams will return home to a heroes welcome and their richly deserved multi-million pound salaries.
Aw, are you begrudging people being paid a lot for having world class skill in the world’s most popular sport?
Diddums.
Ha Ha! I knew I'd catch someone
Isn't this England squad going to compete for years at the top?
Take a panel of VAR refs, sit them in a room and show them hundreds and hundreds of controversial incidents from past games. Then don't use VAR until all the refs come to the same conclusion on every incident which may involve some changes to the laws of the game.
So many of its failings would have been address if they had done that.
Penalty yesterday would be a prime example - watch it in real time and is seems impossible that he could have deliberately handballed - run it in slow motion and it looks like he is trying to do it.
http://www.pnas.org/content/113/33/9250
Then combine that with the fact that the ref only gets called over to review a penalty decision if the VAR team thinks there is a clear and obvious foul, it becomes pretty hard for the ref to then overrule them and not give it.
Hopefully once VAR has been in use for a while they'll get the hang of it - most of the time it did improve the standard of refereeing.
If you ignore extra time, England played 7, won 3, drew 2 and lost 2. So 11 points in 7 games translates to 59/60 over 38 games. That would have placed them 7th last year.
I know that doesn't mean a lot in reality, are any teams in the premier league as bad as Panama or Tunisia and there are plenty better than Belgium and Croatia.
So a more fair comparison might be where they'd have finished in the championship - using the same logic about 8th or 9th.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
The VAR decision yesterday was the perfect reason why it is needed. The referee missed the handball and VAR corrected that decision.
It was a clear penalty because the defender knew late that he was in the wrong position for the flight of the ball so intentionally raised his leg and lowered his arm to get something in the way to stop/deflect the ball.
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I feel an analogy with a 2nd referendum would fit nicely here.
Well go on then, let's have it.
That is very harsh, England did as expected against who they played, no more no less. They made the most of a favourable draw and some "bigger" teams going out early.
Which teams at a similar level to England did better?
And never forget, that they won on penalties at last.
Belgium. They belted us twice.
No, Belgium have two world class midfielders, we haven't.