Net Neutrality
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Now that the US Net Neutrality law has been abolished. Is anyone concerned that the big telecommunications companies over here may push for the same thing.
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Not at the moment, US networks had a very different starting point to ours I would argue. Throw in that I am not sure anyone in parliment would give their time to listen right now.
Having said that, ask me again in 3 years time and I wouldn't be so confident that they haven't started lobbying.0 -
Flâneur wrote:Not at the moment, US networks had a very different starting point to ours I would argue. Throw in that I am not sure anyone in parliment would give their time to listen right now.
Having said that, ask me again in 3 years time and I wouldn't be so confident that they haven't started lobbying.
Exactly my thoughts. Get Brexit out the way and all the telecommunications regulations will be up for review. As with the unnecessary HS2 or NHS privatisations there will be MPs who will be susceptible to or have vested interests in telecoms.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
Apparently the market is much more competitive here, so it is much less of a concern. No expertise on the subject though.0
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A blog post prior to the vote should anyone want some back round.
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Mr Goo wrote:...As with the unnecessary HS2...
That would make a good thread.
What makes it unnecessary in your opinion, Goo? Genuinely interested, not looking for an argument.Ben
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Ben6899 wrote:Mr Goo wrote:...As with the unnecessary HS2...
That would make a good thread.
What makes it unnecessary in your opinion, Goo? Genuinely interested, not looking for an argument.
Yes, it would make a good thread.
As someone who lives near to the East Midlands Hub, it's difficult to see any benefit in terms of travel when set against the impact it will have on the landscape and people.
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Capt Slog wrote:Ben6899 wrote:Mr Goo wrote:...As with the unnecessary HS2...
That would make a good thread.
What makes it unnecessary in your opinion, Goo? Genuinely interested, not looking for an argument.
Yes, it would make a good thread.
As someone who lives near to the East Midlands Hub, it's difficult to see any benefit in terms of travel when set against the impact it will have on the landscape and people.
It will allow even more people to commute to London.0 -
Ben6899 wrote:Mr Goo wrote:...As with the unnecessary HS2...
That would make a good thread.
What makes it unnecessary in your opinion, Goo? Genuinely interested, not looking for an argument.
Firstly I'm really not sure that spending £65bn (current cost) of taxpayers money on a train line that will get from London to Manchester 15 minutes quicker than the current service is value for money.
Secondly the rolling stock is still essentially based on a Victorian technology of using metal wheels on metal track.
If HS2, 3 and 4 was going to be a Maglev or other new cutting edge system then I would be all for it.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
Mr Goo wrote:Ben6899 wrote:Mr Goo wrote:...As with the unnecessary HS2...
That would make a good thread.
What makes it unnecessary in your opinion, Goo? Genuinely interested, not looking for an argument.
Firstly I'm really not sure that spending £65bn (current cost) of taxpayers money on a train line that will get from London to Manchester 15 minutes quicker than the current service is value for money.
Secondly the rolling stock is still essentially based on a Victorian technology of using metal wheels on metal track.
If HS2, 3 and 4 was going to be a Maglev or other new cutting edge system then I would be all for it.
Steel wheels on steel rails are actually pretty good. Maglevs are eye-wateringly expensive. If your concern is the cost of HS2, then maglevs are not the answer.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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And this is why net neutrality doesn't get a lot of coverage.0
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Indeed, friends of mine that work in the area say it is a really big deal and important that people pay attention. But to most people, myself included to a degree, it's something that happens in the background and they aren't interested enough to get worked up about it. But will all complain when it's too late.KingstonGraham wrote:And this is why net neutrality doesn't get a lot of coverage.0 -
Yebbut. I give you Netflix. $3bn revenues last quarter, added another 5m subscribers. And how much do they pay for their delivery mechanism? Hmmm, they seem very quiet on that subject.0
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I admit to not knowing much about the subject but would it be a good time to start researching the dark web? Operating under the radar should be operating without costs. Illegal probably, but so is Kodi and I've heard a lot of people use that.
Just pondering since the issue has been highlighted...The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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rjsterry wrote:Mr Goo wrote:Ben6899 wrote:Mr Goo wrote:...As with the unnecessary HS2...
That would make a good thread.
What makes it unnecessary in your opinion, Goo? Genuinely interested, not looking for an argument.
Firstly I'm really not sure that spending £65bn (current cost) of taxpayers money on a train line that will get from London to Manchester 15 minutes quicker than the current service is value for money.
Secondly the rolling stock is still essentially based on a Victorian technology of using metal wheels on metal track.
If HS2, 3 and 4 was going to be a Maglev or other new cutting edge system then I would be all for it.
Steel wheels on steel rails are actually pretty good. Maglevs are eye-wateringly expensive. If your concern is the cost of HS2, then maglevs are not the answer.
Yes, the Nagoya - Tokyo magnetic rail was staggeringly expensive. $51bn for 286km.
..or £176000 per metre.
Seen as the economy is going to slow down after Brexit, perhaps a revamp and an extension of the current canal network would do the trick. All that excavation (with shovels) and building horse drawn barges; think of the employment it will create.
Brickyards
Farriers
Carpenters
Shovel makers
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what is net neutrality?
lay man's terms please.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
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This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:what is net neutrality?
lay man's terms please.
It's a bit of a sticky wicket: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_law
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orraloon wrote:Yebbut. I give you Netflix. $3bn revenues last quarter, added another 5m subscribers. And how much do they pay for their delivery mechanism? Hmmm, they seem very quiet on that subject.
what's the mystery? the notion that content providers are somehow getting a free ride is nonsense
content providers such as netflix pay for the bandwidth at the point their content enters a network they don't own, if they stream at 300 gigabit/sec they need to pay for connectivity supporting that - exactly the same as if you operate a website, the isp will charge for bandwidth, if there's a lot of traffic the bills can get large, fast
very large operators such as netflix may build and operate their own content delivery networks, more common is using a cdn operator - cloudflare, akami etc.
end users pay for the bandwidth to their home/mobile device
every cdn/isp/ixp peer can peer with any other isp/ixp on terms they are free to negotiate pricing based on traffic levels/differentials
net neutrality prevents an isp discriminating against traffic it doesn't like, by charging more, blocking it, or slowing it down
imagine if an isp had it's own voip service, it might block skype etc. to force users onto it's own service, or charge them a premium for using skype for instance, net neutrality prevents this sort of anti-competitive actionmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Useful explanation, thanks SG.sungod wrote:orraloon wrote:Yebbut. I give you Netflix. $3bn revenues last quarter, added another 5m subscribers. And how much do they pay for their delivery mechanism? Hmmm, they seem very quiet on that subject.
what's the mystery? the notion that content providers are somehow getting a free ride is nonsense
content providers such as netflix pay for the bandwidth at the point their content enters a network they don't own, if they stream at 300 gigabit/sec they need to pay for connectivity supporting that - exactly the same as if you operate a website, the isp will charge for bandwidth, if there's a lot of traffic the bills can get large, fast
very large operators such as netflix may build and operate their own content delivery networks, more common is using a cdn operator - cloudflare, akami etc.
end users pay for the bandwidth to their home/mobile device
every cdn/isp/ixp peer can peer with any other isp/ixp on terms they are free to negotiate pricing based on traffic levels/differentials
net neutrality prevents an isp discriminating against traffic it doesn't like, by charging more, blocking it, or slowing it down
imagine if an isp had it's own voip service, it might block skype etc. to force users onto it's own service, or charge them a premium for using skype for instance, net neutrality prevents this sort of anti-competitive action
I think Orraloon is assuming that because Netflix is large successful private enterprise, they must be getting a free ride somehow, or at least doing something wrong."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Capt Slog wrote:As someone who lives near to the East Midlands Hub, it's difficult to see any benefit in terms of travel when set against the impact it will have on the landscape and people.
What impact on the landscape? Just how wide is this train track? Theres even railways in the Swiss Alps and it doesn't detract from their scenery."The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby0 -
ben@31 wrote:Capt Slog wrote:As someone who lives near to the East Midlands Hub, it's difficult to see any benefit in terms of travel when set against the impact it will have on the landscape and people.
What impact on the landscape? Just how wide is this train track? Theres even railways in the Swiss Alps and it doesn't detract from their scenery.
Bye bye High Wycombe. No heap big loss.
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Thanks SG. Genuinely didn't know how Netflix and the like worked. And I think I'll just ignore Mr wind up tax dodger.0
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No wind up. Just taking you to task for talking bolloxorraloon wrote:Thanks SG. Genuinely didn't know how Netflix and the like worked. And I think I'll just ignore Mr wind up tax dodger.
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No wind up. Just taking you to task for talking bolloxorraloon wrote:Thanks SG. Genuinely didn't know how Netflix and the like worked. And I think I'll just ignore Mr wind up tax dodger.
Its good to know you r also an expert on the internet, cdn's pop's and netflix's oca's :roll:
though i m not entirely sure that they are anything to do with NWN, these are just how companies get content quickly and reliably to your home PC etc etc etc without tying up huge amounts of the internet with up-steam traffic, its a multi billion $ business and growing fast, the legacy companies are finding it hard to keep up.
i d also add that this area is highly complex and i would nt pretend to be an expert, no one individual is.0 -
This guy does a good tech blog on this subject:
https://stratechery.com/2017/pro-neutra ... -title-ii/
My basic understanding is that that US gov. basically want market forces to 'go at it' developing the internet. Of course, this does come with some risk, but I'm not sure that it's a terrible idea. I tend to think, either make the internet properly public, or stop telling private parties how they need to run their business (i.e. let ISPs allocate internet performance however they want to).
The caveat is that there MUST be choice for the burgeoning Netflix competitor.0 -
Mr Goo wrote:Ben6899 wrote:Mr Goo wrote:...As with the unnecessary HS2...
That would make a good thread.
What makes it unnecessary in your opinion, Goo? Genuinely interested, not looking for an argument.
Firstly I'm really not sure that spending £65bn (current cost) of taxpayers money on a train line that will get from London to Manchester 15 minutes quicker than the current service is value for money.
Secondly the rolling stock is still essentially based on a Victorian technology of using metal wheels on metal track.
If HS2, 3 and 4 was going to be a Maglev or other new cutting edge system then I would be all for it.
100% agree with all of this and i'm ooop north.
An alternative to spending ridiculous amounts Just add 15 minutes to the length of the day and start the next day 15 mins early that would make the HS2 15 min quicker argument redundant All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....0 -
You can't really complain about the £65bn cost of HS2 and then say we should be building a Maglev system. Both the CAPEX and OPEX of Maglev are higher than with the 'standard' European 4ft gauge railway.Ben
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Move more jobs up north so that ppl don't need to commute ridiculous distances.
Just an idea and I do not have a clue how to achieve this.0
