Smartphone. What's the difference between cheap and expensive?

Large chunks of money.

Cheaper ones will have limited memory, crappy screens etc. Pointless having smart features if it takes an age to process them.

you need to let us know whether you are an Apple Fanboi or not.

vimfuego wrote:

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You beat me to it Vimfuego. My own opinion is that flagship phones are absolutely brilliant no doubt but they come at an eye watering price. If you've got a grand burning a hole in your pocket the fill ya boots and get a Samsung S8 or the latest iPhone if you can put up with Apple's quirky way of doing things. However you can get something that'll do 99% of what they do for around 50% of the price. I'm currently saving up to replace my own handset with either the Oneplus5 which is £500 or the UMIDIGI S2 Pro. The Oneplus is available through 02 so will have UK sales support but the UMIDIGI is via a Chinese distributor which is the only thing holding me back because it's less than £300 and is a lot of phone for the price. Even the bottom end of the market stuff like Moto and Lenovo offer some great specs so it's not always a question of price.

I have a G5 too. Love it. Absolute steal

After a few years of smart phone use (me and my family) I've found that the things that really matter are:

1. Large clear display - more important the more you want to do with it (I use it for spreadsheets, image editing, coding, internet access, ..., ..., ...). In my case possibly influenced by middle-aged eyesight that means I have the brightness turned up to max. Which brings me on to...
2. Battery. Many, many causes and solutions to this, but my Note 4 now (even with a new, genuine Samsung battery) can't last the whole day unless I literally never touch it. All smartphones eat electricity ridiculously fast but they do vary.
3. Storage is an issue - we've had a couple of cheap phones (and an ipad) that have become unusable due to getting filled up with junk: not just slow performance but, among other things, unable to add new apps. Factory reset is then the only option unless you're rooted (my phone gets a regular delving into hidden folders where junk accumulates - something you can't do if not rooted).
4. Robustness / reliability - except that it's almost impossible to measure accurately. I've never had a phone break, crack the screen, fall down the toilet or have any internal failure - and I'm fairly sure that the majority of damage happens in a way that would happen to any model. I would go for water-resistant, though.

Apart from that, for me it's like all consumer stuff - bikes, hi-fi, whatever - pay more and you'll get something better, mostly, but at the cost of diminishing returns. I'm not sure what I'll do when my 3yo Note expires or I itch too much for novelty - I rate the Note 8, but the price is eye-watering, so I'll certainly wait a year or so: by which time we'll be able to covet the Note 9 and the iPhone XI, or whatever.

TLDR: I don't know.

We got fed up of wife's brother not being able to call us because he'd run out of credit on his early bronze age PAYG Nokia, and him getting stung by the bank because he couldn't access his account online and kept going overdrawn (long, sad story)
So we marched him into Tesco and signed him up for a new, smart Motorola for £7.50 a month, DD from my account, more texts and minutes than he'll ever use and he can check his (lack of) finances from the comfort of the WiFi hotspot in the pub (a component of said long, sad story...)

So I'd say the difference between cheap and expensive is about £60 a month?

On batterys, the Oneplus2 and 3 are famous for mega battery life and I expect the 5 to be similar, plus it has Dash Charge which effectively means plugging it in for half an hour gives you a day's use. The UMIDIGI S2 Pro reputedly has 2 day battery life.

cooldad wrote:

The best phones are free. Company phone, unlimited calls and data, gets stuffed in my Camelbak when riding, and if it breaks or gets stolen I get a new one. (I haven't lost or broken one ever, but other idiots do.)
New phone every two years.
Just end up year behind the latest and greatest releases but I can happily live with that.

Me too. I was happy with my old Nokia but they forced me to have a new iPhone. B@stards!

My response to the original question is not a lot for a shedload of money. I'll also give another vote for the Lenovo Moto G5 which is an all round brilliant bit of kit (especially for the price) with everything that I personally need from a mobile. I replaced a 1st generation Moto G with it and it's a quantum leap ahead. Having also used recent iPhones, IMHO the G5 is the equal or better in all departments that I care about.

Chris Bass wrote:

you have to factor in future software updates, storage for apps, ram is important for longevity, if it runs stuff ok now it probably won't in a year or two.

Like i tried to say earlier, a cheap phone will work just as well for what you want as a more expensive one will today but fast forward a year or two and the more expensive ones will still work fine whereas the cheaper ones will be slow and buggy.

Whether you'll get 3 cheap phones life out of a more expensive one is a bit of a gamble though.

Fast forward a year or two and the (usually sealed) battery in your flagship phone will likely be showing it's age and running out of charge part way into the day. Replacement is likely to be pricey. The same will be true of any cheaper alternative of couse but it's cheap enough that you can just bin it and buy the latest handset or in the case of the Moto G5 just buy a new replaceable battery.