Forum home Road cycling forum The cake stop

Le Tour no advert for electronic gears!

solosuperiasolosuperia Posts: 389
edited July 2017 in The cake stop
I know it is a hoary old subject.......
But there seems to be more malfunctions of electronic gears than you would really want.
I can remember Froome having a problem, also some others whose names I can't remember, topped off yesterday by Uran being reduced to two gears because his rear mech had packed up.
I'm not a fan of technology for technology's sake...... Cables seem to last forever with the minimum maintenance. Weight wise cables must be lighter than a battery.
In my experience a properly installed manual mech is very slick in operation, can't comment about electronic gizmos as I haven't used one.
«13

Posts

  • wongataawongataa Posts: 890
    Uran's packed up because the rear mech was kicked by Dan Martin as he was taken out by Porte. A good whack like that could have damaged a cable mech as well.
  • solosuperiasolosuperia Posts: 389
    "Uran's packed up because the rear mech was kicked by Dan Martin as he was taken out by Porte. A good whack like that could have damaged a cable mech as well".
    Must admit that I missed that.....
    That drop through the trees dry road, wet road must have stretched the nerves taut!
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 7,721
    Uran had a bent hanger. It wouldn't have mattered if his rear mech was mechanical or electronic.
    Ben

    Bikes: Donhou DSS4 Custom | Condor Italia RC | Gios Megalite | Dolan Preffisio | Giant Bowery '76
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ben_h_ppcc/
    Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 6,144
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Uran had a bent hanger. It wouldn't have mattered if his rear mech was mechanical or electronic.


    Is that confirmed or just speculation on the part of a commentator - seems a bit unlikely to me.
    AFC Mercia women - sign for us
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 7,721
    Mavic tweeted it. He asked their mechanic to put his rear mech in the 11T for the run in. You may have seen the mechanic leaning out of the neutral service car, fiddling dangerously close to the spinning wheel.

    He couldn't shift accurately because of a bent hanger.
    Ben

    Bikes: Donhou DSS4 Custom | Condor Italia RC | Gios Megalite | Dolan Preffisio | Giant Bowery '76
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ben_h_ppcc/
    Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
  • Leaving the Uran problem aside, there does seem to be a fair amount of electronic gear failures in the pro peloton in all races. I would expect maybe one or two per race of a hundred riders but they seem to happen fairly regularly. The odds of it happening to anyone else are probably higher since these bikes are stripped serviced and rebuilt nearly every day on a grand tour and still the gremlins appear.
  • bikes`n`gunsbikes`n`guns Posts: 961
    And yet I`m a mere mortal and have had no issues with Di2 in 4 yrs !
    Trek,,,, too cool for school ,, apparently
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,437
    TP - don't forget that there are multiple crashes in the course of the days racing. We dont see them all. It's a lot tougher on kit than the average joe would be.
  • fenix wrote:
    TP - don't forget that there are multiple crashes in the course of the days racing. We dont see them all. It's a lot tougher on kit than the average joe would be.

    Agreed but they can't all be down to crashes. And what about time trial failures as so have seen a few times ? This reminds me of the Stages issues people rant on about. Some have years of trouble free cycling and others seem to constantly get duff units like God is personally sh1tting on them. Ho hum
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 7,721
    fenix wrote:
    TP - don't forget that there are multiple crashes in the course of the days racing. We dont see them all. It's a lot tougher on kit than the average joe would be.

    Agreed but they can't all be down to crashes. And what about time trial failures as so have seen a few times ? This reminds me of the Stages issues people rant on about. Some have years of trouble free cycling and others seem to constantly get duff units like God is personally sh1tting on them. Ho hum

    God only shits on your cycling, if you use those massive 750ml/1L bidons.
    Ben

    Bikes: Donhou DSS4 Custom | Condor Italia RC | Gios Megalite | Dolan Preffisio | Giant Bowery '76
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ben_h_ppcc/
    Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
  • Ben6899 wrote:
    fenix wrote:
    TP - don't forget that there are multiple crashes in the course of the days racing. We dont see them all. It's a lot tougher on kit than the average joe would be.

    Agreed but they can't all be down to crashes. And what about time trial failures as so have seen a few times ? This reminds me of the Stages issues people rant on about. Some have years of trouble free cycling and others seem to constantly get duff units like God is personally sh1tting on them. Ho hum

    God only shits on your cycling, if you use those massive 750ml/1L bidons.

    Yeah but that's warranted for such unruly behaviour
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 7,721
    Hence the divine retribution.
    Ben

    Bikes: Donhou DSS4 Custom | Condor Italia RC | Gios Megalite | Dolan Preffisio | Giant Bowery '76
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ben_h_ppcc/
    Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
  • cougiecougie Posts: 22,512
    Hey - I use those 750ml bottles - cos I am so awesome and ride decent distances. My gears work just fine too. But they aren't electronic. ;-)
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 7,721
    You have to be God-fearing, cougie.
    Ben

    Bikes: Donhou DSS4 Custom | Condor Italia RC | Gios Megalite | Dolan Preffisio | Giant Bowery '76
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ben_h_ppcc/
    Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
  • cougiecougie Posts: 22,512
    That'll be it then.
  • cougie wrote:
    Hey - I use those 750ml bottles - cos I am so awesome and ride decent distances. My gears work just fine too. But they aren't electronic. ;-)

    I use 500 ml bottles and plan my route to pass shops where I can replenish them. No need to anger the Gods. When you shuffle off this mortal coil there will be a pineapple waiting for you!!
  • bianchimoonbianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    And yet I`m a mere mortal and have had no issues with Di2 in 4 yrs !
    me too, just crisp clean gear changes regardless of gradient or weather..we must be the chosen ones :D
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • mfinmfin Posts: 6,724
    New kit, stripdowns and rebuilds will all add to the likelihood of given problems that a pro might experience in 4 yrs that you won't. There will be plenty of bikes on a stage which have just been messed about with, they're ridden hard, moved about, washed down etc everyday and used for more than 2000 miles in 3 weeks, all increasing the chances of failure.

    Plus, remember a lot of these pros have to ride Shimano, so we should sympathise because as at least we get the chance to look at it and decide "I don't want that shît on my bike", they can't.

    Anyone making an argument for 500ml bidon aesthetics who uses a saddlebag should be shot on sight by the way.
  • mfin wrote:
    New kit, stripdowns and rebuilds will all add to the likelihood of given problems that a pro might experience in 4 yrs that you won't. There will be plenty of bikes on a stage which have just been messed about with, they're ridden hard, moved about, washed down etc everyday and used for more than 2000 miles in 3 weeks, all increasing the chances of failure.

    Plus, remember a lot of these pros have to ride Shimano, so we should sympathise because as at least we get the chance to look at it and decide "I don't want that shît on my bike", they can't.

    Anyone making an argument for 500ml bidon aesthetics who uses a saddlebag should be shot on sight by the way.

    Saddle bag users publicly humiliated beforehand
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 12,011
    mfin wrote:
    New kit, stripdowns and rebuilds will all add to the likelihood of given problems that a pro might experience in 4 yrs that you won't. There will be plenty of bikes on a stage which have just been messed about with, they're ridden hard, moved about, washed down etc everyday and used for more than 2000 miles in 3 weeks, all increasing the chances of failure.

    Plus, remember a lot of these pros have to ride Shimano, so we should sympathise because as at least we get the chance to look at it and decide "I don't want that shît on my bike", they can't.

    Anyone making an argument for 500ml bidon aesthetics who uses a saddlebag should be shot on sight by the way.

    Saddle bag users publicly humiliated beforehand

    You can't humiliate someone who doesn't care.
  • mfinmfin Posts: 6,724
    mfin wrote:
    New kit, stripdowns and rebuilds will all add to the likelihood of given problems that a pro might experience in 4 yrs that you won't. There will be plenty of bikes on a stage which have just been messed about with, they're ridden hard, moved about, washed down etc everyday and used for more than 2000 miles in 3 weeks, all increasing the chances of failure.

    Plus, remember a lot of these pros have to ride Shimano, so we should sympathise because as at least we get the chance to look at it and decide "I don't want that shît on my bike", they can't.

    Anyone making an argument for 500ml bidon aesthetics who uses a saddlebag should be shot on sight by the way.

    Saddle bag users publicly humiliated beforehand

    You can't humiliate someone who doesn't care.

    I could.
  • meanredspidermeanredspider Posts: 12,550
    mfin wrote:
    Plus, remember a lot of these pros have to ride Shimano,

    One day someone will produce evidence that suggests that teams don't get to choose their sponsors and that riders don't get to run the version of the kit (or, indeed, not their sponsors' kit) that they want.

    There are certainly loads of examples of riders having parts with their brand name covered up: the only team running eTap has to use DA rim brakes (if that's what they've chosen) because SRAM doesn't make a surface mount brake which is all the bike will take.

    Personally, I simple can't imagine riders putting their bodies on the line (legally or illegally) and training so hard only to given kit that compromises their chances. I know it's a convenient thing for people to say to explain why pro riders use kit that the poster doesn't agree with, but I'm yet to see any substantial evidence of it. I'm happy to be proved wrong.
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • bianchimoonbianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    mfin wrote:
    Plus, remember a lot of these pros have to ride Shimano,

    . I'm happy to be proved wrong.
    you won't be it's a non story, fake news :wink:
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,437
    What kit would jeopardise riders chances though ? Is there one supreme groupset that offers so much advantage that you can't win without it ?
  • meanredspidermeanredspider Posts: 12,550
    fenix wrote:
    What kit would jeopardise riders chances though ?

    That seems to be the OP's premise...
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 7,721
    edited July 2017
    the only team running eTap has to use DA rim brakes (if that's what they've chosen) because SRAM doesn't make a surface mount brake which is all the bike will take.

    Autocorrect from "direct"? Not picking holes, just wondering what a surface mount brake might be. :)

    I think Shimano - of the "big three" - is the only one to manufacture direct mount rim brakes.
    Ben

    Bikes: Donhou DSS4 Custom | Condor Italia RC | Gios Megalite | Dolan Preffisio | Giant Bowery '76
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ben_h_ppcc/
    Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
  • thegreatdividethegreatdivide Posts: 5,092
    Ben6899 wrote:
    the only team running eTap has to use DA rim brakes (if that's what they've chosen) because SRAM doesn't make a surface mount brake which is all the bike will take.

    Autocorrect from "direct"? Not picking holes, just wondering what a surface mount brake might be. :)

    I think Shimano - of the "big three" is the only one to manufacture direct mount rim brakes.

    https://www.campagnolo.com/UK/en/Compon ... ount_brake
  • meanredspidermeanredspider Posts: 12,550
    Ben6899 wrote:
    the only team running eTap has to use DA rim brakes (if that's what they've chosen) because SRAM doesn't make a surface mount brake which is all the bike will take.

    Autocorrect from "direct"? Not picking holes, just wondering what a surface mount brake might be. :)

    I think Shimano - of the "big three" is the only one to manufacture direct mount rim brakes.

    Well spotted - "mental" autocorrect :wink: Too much consumer electronics time
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • solosuperiasolosuperia Posts: 389
    I remember Tim Goulds Peugeot had a cheeky little Chas Roberts logo at the bottom of the seat tube!
    Trying desperately to remember some road men with re-labelled bikes.
    Along the same lines, old friend of mine was a greengrocer, he told me I would be amazed at the number of vans in the New Covent Garden veg market with "Home Grown Organic Farm Produce" emblazoned on their sides!
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 7,721
    Ben6899 wrote:
    the only team running eTap has to use DA rim brakes (if that's what they've chosen) because SRAM doesn't make a surface mount brake which is all the bike will take.

    Autocorrect from "direct"? Not picking holes, just wondering what a surface mount brake might be. :)

    I think Shimano - of the "big three" is the only one to manufacture direct mount rim brakes.

    https://www.campagnolo.com/UK/en/Compon ... ount_brake

    I thought wrong.
    Ben

    Bikes: Donhou DSS4 Custom | Condor Italia RC | Gios Megalite | Dolan Preffisio | Giant Bowery '76
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ben_h_ppcc/
    Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
Sign In or Register to comment.