Mechanical Doping update
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smithy21 wrote:Joelsim wrote:Mechanical doping by putting a motor in a bike is not possible. It's absurd. Someone would have patented it. This is just silly. Never gonna happen.
Now you just need to find some magical invisible Hungarian ones.
Karma's a ***** Fair play, Joel....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Macaloon wrote:
It's not Femke's bike, it was brought along by her friend.0 -
Her brother is sitting out 2 years for doping too..."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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disgruntledgoat wrote:Her brother is sitting out 2 years for doping too...0
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Slim Boy Fat wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Her brother is sitting out 2 years for doping too...
Niels is the suspended brother"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Slim Boy Fat wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Her brother is sitting out 2 years for doping too...
One of her brothers was hiding in the top tube0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:Slim Boy Fat wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Her brother is sitting out 2 years for doping too...
Niels is the suspended brother0 -
itboffin wrote:They are still only calling it a technological fraud not actually mentioning what, all the mentions of motors are from peoples twitter replies as far as I can see.
No, its confirmed. Her story is that she sold a bike to a friend (?manager) who used it on training rides with her and fitted a motor to keep up. It was in the truck and mistakenly was taken to the pit by the mechanic. She claims she did nt use the bike during the race. The UCI claim differently (a lot will hang on proving if she ever used the bike or not). As said it was far from a secret clandestine attempt, it was mickey mouse in it's efforts and was spotted using whatever the UCI have developed to detect these things (it's been translated as "a tablet", but I don't think they meant an ipad or similar)
No motors and batteríes invisible to the human eye with wires inset into the frame or what ever nonsense we had to contend with up threadWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Would be weird then to have tried and pass it off, perhaps her story is trueRule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0 -
Edit - ademorts dutch is better than mineademort wrote:I,ve just read a report on HLN,BE which says that Femke had told Sporza that her Brother and Friend who the suspect bike belonged to had done a lap of the course together and afterwards put the bike against the team wagon. Femke said the bike is identical to her bike and her friend bought the bike from her the year before.
She then says that the mechanics have probably took the bike mistakenly and cleaned it and prepared it for the race and she knew nothing of the mix up until the UCI checked the bike.
Sven has been instagramming the hell out of his morning ride with his son on the course (son not wearing team kit) so it does seem like non-racers riding the course is far from uncommonWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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So, a motor that gave you a 20 second boost of 50w on the Mur definitely wouldn't give you a huge advantage?0
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Not buying any of it. Where did this technology come from? A high torque motor in that form factor with a clearance for axle is highly improbable0
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kleinstroker wrote:Not buying any of it. Where did this technology come from? A high torque motor in that form factor with a clearance for axle is highly improbable
How can you say that? One has been found!0 -
Any reports where the battery was stored on the bike?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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I wonder how many of these have and are being used in sportive events?Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0 -
itboffin wrote:I wonder how many of these have and are being used in sportive events?
Considering you can't buy one on Wiggle (yet) absolutely zero.0 -
Joelsim wrote:kleinstroker wrote:Not buying any of it. Where did this technology come from? A high torque motor in that form factor with a clearance for axle is highly improbable
How can you say that? One has been found!
Has anyone seen it yet?
Is it an actual motor?
Is it capable of giving an advantage?
Until I see all these questions answered I will be cynical until the very end0 -
So the uci just made it up?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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kleinstroker wrote:Joelsim wrote:kleinstroker wrote:Not buying any of it. Where did this technology come from? A high torque motor in that form factor with a clearance for axle is highly improbable
How can you say that? One has been found!
Has anyone seen it yet?
Is it an actual motor?
Is it capable of giving an advantage?
Until I see all these questions answered I will be cynical until the very end
I'm kind of assuming it'll be similar to the Vivax Assist (given how easily was apparently detected).0 -
Yes it is an actual motor. It was found through detecting RF, at which point they took the cranks off to find the motor hidden in the bottom bracket.0
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I've got no problem with this mechanical doping - even if they go up to 1000cc and have much fatter tyres - as long as we keep the spectacle of attacking racing. I'm a romantic, me.0
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awavey wrote:no, weve always said it wasnt possible to build a motor small enough to fit in a bike frame that passed a simple visual look, and it has to pass a visual look as else everyone would just be pointing and staring at it, thats not the same as undetectable unless you have this whatever the UCI "pad" is doing or you try to dismantle the bike, the bike with the motor has to still look like a bike without a motor to pass. And the motors output had to at least compensate for the weight penalty of carrying it as else theres no point to it, though pro cyclists will happily buy snake oil if they thought it would help give them an extra watt .
and if you had invented that kind of technology, small enough to be not blindingly obvious & visible, power output in excess of weight penalty, then youd be making way more money selling it round the world, than you could trying to sell it to pro bike racers.
What do you think the UCI have found then ? There is no argument, the technology exists and now it seems probably that someone has been caught trying to use it.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:So the uci just made it up?
Ok just read up on assist motors from gruber and vitax, so they do exist, but not in the form factor I was expecting, and they weigh a good 2kg, which seems like a hell of a lot of extra weight to carry, and pretty easy to detect I would have thought without fancy "tablets"0 -
thegreatdivide wrote:itboffin wrote:I wonder how many of these have and are being used in sportive events?
Considering you can't buy one on Wiggle (yet) absolutely zero.0 -
i was also skeptical but they do exist, takes a bit of digging but full bikes and kits are out there, what i dont understand is there's clearly a weight disadvantage when its not in use and as the battery life is limited i can't see a pro race situation where it would be worth it, over even a small race distance the battery would die and you'd be lugging extra weight compared to the rest of the field.
changing bottle batteries mid ride would attract lots of attention unless you used a contact patch connection system like a docking stationRule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0