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From The Guardian...3:07 p.m.
The WADA report says Moscow testing laboratory director Grigory Rodchenko ordered 1,417 doping control samples destroyed to deny evidence for the inquiry.
The inquiry report says Rodchenko “personally instructed and authorized” the destruction of evidence three days before a WADA audit team arrived in Moscow last December.
The WADA panel says it wanted to send the Russian athletes’ samples to labs in other countries to detect banned drugs and doping methods.
The report says Rodchenko’s action “obliterated forever the attempt to determine if there was any evidence of athletes having clean and dirty ‘A’ samples at the Moscow laboratory.”
When the auditors arrived in Moscow, Rodchenko told them he decided to “do some clean up to prepare for WADA’s visit.”
Rodchenkov, the report notes, “remained obstructive” throughout the investigation and refused to be recorded.
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"The London 2012 Olympics were "sabotaged" by the presence of Russian athletes with suspicious doping profiles, the Commission has found."
How will the IOC and Rio organising committee respond to the recommendations of the report given that this is what is likely to be reported (this is a line from the report!) if the Russians are allowed to attend?Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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The report said the London Olympics were more or less sabotaged because of this.
Nice one, Seb. I do hope there's nothing to worry about on his FSB file....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
I think Coe has no choice
http://www.iaaf.org/news/press-release/statement-wada-independent-commission-report0 -
Good day for Lance, all of a sudden he looks like a dabbler compared to the government sponsored production line of dopers being turned out the other side of the old wall!Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19738948#p19738948]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I think Coe has no choice
http://www.iaaf.org/news/press-release/statement-wada-independent-commission-report
will they stop short of an Olympic ban by doing a deal on the last couple of WC's and so are handing back a few less "valuable" medals in terms of competition prestige?0 -
Coe was the front man for an enormous fraud perpetrated on the British public. To be fair, it's not nicking bottled water at a riot, but he needs kicking out the Lords for starters. If he had a shred of integrity he'd have resigned years ago....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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Coe was the front man for an enormous fraud perpetrated on the British public. To be fair, it's not nicking bottled water at a riot, but he needs kicking out the Lords for starters. If he had a shred of integrity he'd have resigned years ago.
I do hope you're not suggesting that the London Olympics was something less than a commercial and sporting masterpiece and that it's legacy is bountiful and self-evident.
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Thing is with the fall of Communism, East Germans, Poles etc who'd been up to their gonads in the state-sponsored doping systems, took their experiences and services to other countries. Eddie B got a decent head start on them of a decade, of course.
Russia OTOH was just Carry On Regardless0 -
"The IAAF amazingly seem to be unaware".
Well said Dick.
"If you get caught in competition then you fail a doping test, and you fail an IQ test. Er hellooooo".
Well said Dick.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19738956#p19738956]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Thing is with the fall of Communism, East Germans, Poles etc who'd been up to their gonads in the state-sponsored doping systems, took their experiences and services to other countries. Eddie B got a decent head start on them of a decade, of course.
Russia OTOH was just Carry On Regardless
Eddie B?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19738956#p19738956]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Thing is with the fall of Communism, East Germans, Poles etc who'd been up to their gonads in the state-sponsored doping systems, took their experiences and services to other countries. Eddie B got a decent head start on them of a decade, of course.
Russia OTOH was just Carry On Regardless
Eddie B?
Blood doping in US Cycling in the 1980s... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Borysewicz0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19738956#p19738956]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Thing is with the fall of Communism, East Germans, Poles etc who'd been up to their gonads in the state-sponsored doping systems, took their experiences and services to other countries. Eddie B got a decent head start on them of a decade, of course.
Russia OTOH was just Carry On Regardless
Eddie B?
Blood doping in US Cycling in the 1980s... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Borysewicz
Thanks - interesting read. I was familiar with the 84 story but not the personnel, evidently.0 -
Coe was the front man for an enormous fraud perpetrated on the British public. To be fair, it's not nicking bottled water at a riot, but he needs kicking out the Lords for starters. If he had a shred of integrity he'd have resigned years ago.
I do hope you're not suggesting that the London Olympics was something less than a commercial and sporting masterpiece and that it's legacy is bountiful and self-evident.
I'm afraid the entire shooting match is a scam, which is unfortunate for genuine athletes and sports fans. Time for a Road to Rio enlightenment....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
So. Time for cycling fans and commentators to finally understand at long bloody last that in the great scheme of things, Verbruggen and McQuaid really were no grand mafia dons or the root of all evil
Verbruggen was small-time, and McQuaid reasonably well-intentioned (I think) but ultimately a bit of a bumbling fool with a default mode of attack when put on the back foot, every time0 -
I find it interesting that at the last Olympics Russia's female athletes were far more successful than the men.
Women: 5 gold, 4 silver , 5 bronze
Men: just one gold in the high jump
I don't know what this tells us though.
That'll be steroids benefitting women more than men.0 -
A good day for cycling. All the shoot that has been thrown at it in the last ten years pales into insignificance when shown alongside this. How many other sports will be shown to be as corrupt and drug addled in the next few years?0
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I find it interesting that at the last Olympics Russia's female athletes were far more successful than the men.
Women: 5 gold, 4 silver , 5 bronze
Men: just one gold in the high jump
I don't know what this tells us though.
Same thing is happening in sprint events on the wooden boards.
Relative unknowns from two nations in particular appearing and setting staggering times.
But for one notable exception, the men producing nada.
Given "our" past experience, I know what it tells me. "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19739114#p19739114]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:I find it interesting that at the last Olympics Russia's female athletes were far more successful than the men.
Women: 5 gold, 4 silver , 5 bronze
Men: just one gold in the high jump
I don't know what this tells us though.
Same thing is happening in sprint events on the wooden boards.
Relative unknowns from two nations in particular appearing and setting staggering times.
But for one notable exception, the men producing nada.
Given "our" past experience, I know what it tells me.
Hmmm.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19739117#p19739117]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19739114#p19739114]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:I find it interesting that at the last Olympics Russia's female athletes were far more successful than the men.
Women: 5 gold, 4 silver , 5 bronze
Men: just one gold in the high jump
I don't know what this tells us though.
Same thing is happening in sprint events on the wooden boards.
Relative unknowns from two nations in particular appearing and setting staggering times.
But for one notable exception, the men producing nada.
Given "our" past experience, I know what it tells me.
Hmmm.
That Heidi is now Dave?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19739117#p19739117]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19739114#p19739114]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:I find it interesting that at the last Olympics Russia's female athletes were far more successful than the men.
Women: 5 gold, 4 silver , 5 bronze
Men: just one gold in the high jump
I don't know what this tells us though.
Same thing is happening in sprint events on the wooden boards.
Relative unknowns from two nations in particular appearing and setting staggering times.
But for one notable exception, the men producing nada.
Given "our" past experience, I know what it tells me.
Hmmm.
That Heidi is now Dave?
Boomtish
Don't give up the day job, Joel 0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19739137#p19739137]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19739117#p19739117]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19739114#p19739114]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:I find it interesting that at the last Olympics Russia's female athletes were far more successful than the men.
Women: 5 gold, 4 silver , 5 bronze
Men: just one gold in the high jump
I don't know what this tells us though.
Same thing is happening in sprint events on the wooden boards.
Relative unknowns from two nations in particular appearing and setting staggering times.
But for one notable exception, the men producing nada.
Given "our" past experience, I know what it tells me.
Hmmm.
That Heidi is now Dave?
Boomtish
Don't give up the day job, Joel
I won't. My cats are very nice to me, and appreciate the food I give them.0 -
Craig Reedie "The news is very disturbing..."
Words fail me.0 -
They've obviously failed him.Craig Reedie "The news is very disturbing..."
Words fail me.0 -
They've obviously failed him.Craig Reedie "The news is very disturbing..."
Words fail me.
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Does this mean that cycling won't be seen in such a bad light or are all sportsmen dopers guilty until (impossibly) proved otherwise?
Does WADA have any teeth?
Does WADA have any hope of ever going unannounced into Russia or China to do blood tests?
Did WADA spend so much time an energy chasing LA that all this went on without anyone knowing about it*?
*Partly rhetorical, mostly sarcastic,seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
If you look at it cold, there's plenty of rationale to dope in more or less all elite professional sports.
Given how difficult it seems to catch dopers (in any sport), and the outsized rewards at the top level, the risk/reward balance quickly tips in favour of doping. The higher the pay, the sooner people come to that conclusion.
(Let's think of it this way, if you're paying your players £200m a year, spending £10m on a high class doping regime is trump change)
It's not like it's exclusive to sport either. Plenty of corporations go through the same thought process, then the worst of the offenders get caught (VW, UBS, etc), they throw their hands up and say 'but everyone was doing it' and they're probably right.
After all, it's only a scandal when it hits the press....0 -
If you look at it cold, there's plenty of rationale to dope in more or less all elite professional sports.
Given how difficult it seems to catch dopers (in any sport), and the outsized rewards at the top level, the risk/reward balance quickly tips in favour of doping. The higher the pay, the sooner people come to that conclusion.
(Let's think of it this way, if you're paying your players £200m a year, spending £10m on a high class doping regime is trump change)
It's not like it's exclusive to sport either. Plenty of corporations go through the same thought process, then the worst of the offenders get caught (VW, UBS, etc), they throw their hands up and say 'but everyone was doing it' and they're probably right.
After all, it's only a scandal when it hits the press....
Re: VW from personal/professional experience not everyone was doing it and the shock within the industry is genuine."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Did WADA spend so much time an energy chasing LA that all this went on without anyone knowing about it*?
*Partly rhetorical, mostly sarcastic,
I'd say the answer was no, therefore does that make it rhetorical?
USADA invested time and money in rightly bringing down Lance - the guy who won law suits to secure bonuses that weren't lawfully his becuase of his anti-doping pledge in the small print.0
