nice for 1 by 10-ers with hope

It'll be years before it's released, it'll be expensive and alu sprockets will wear fast and break. I'm out.

Or shimano will have 1x11 XT or even SLX groupset which will be better than SRAM and cheaper.

I think XT this year and SLX next year

RevellRider wrote:

XT and SLX both changed at the same time. M770 and M660 went 10 speed together and M780 and M670 were released at the same time. Deore M610/615 will change next year.

Hopefully it will force SRAM in to producing a cheaper groupset. I think if you look at RRP, XTR 1x11 (keep your current chainset) works out cheaper than X1

When they went 9 speed in 1999 they did XTR, XT and LX all at the same time, likewise when they went 10 speed in 2011 they did all the groupsets together, although the actual group updates came later, so all bets are off, as they've already changed their patterns.

With the road stuff they do one groupset at a time, so if they follow that you'll get 11 speed XT next year and SLX the year after.

Or shimano will have 1x11 XT or even SLX groupset which will be better than SRAM and cheaper.

Shimano aren't going after the 1x11 market particularly aggressively though, hence the cassette with a far narrower range. IMO best combo is SRAM cassette, to get the range, with Shimano mech and shifter. Which is what I'm running.

VWsurfbum wrote:

Now if Shimano and sram start to produce cassettes that fit on to a normal free hub and go up to 11-40 or 12-42 then that would be much better.

Errr, that's exactly what Shimano are doing, 11-40, fits on a normal freehub body. 12-42 is a narrower range.

VWsurfbum wrote:

Now if Shimano and sram start to produce cassettes that fit on to a normal free hub and go up to 11-40 or 12-42 then that would be much better.
I think these one up systems are rubbish.

Toodles

Why?

I am running 34t with 11-42 10 speed using all the One Up gizmos and it works perfectly. Total cost for chain ring, cage and cassette adapter was about 70-80 quid

TwellySmat wrote:

VWsurfbum wrote:

Now if Shimano and sram start to produce cassettes that fit on to a normal free hub and go up to 11-40 or 12-42 then that would be much better.
I think these one up systems are rubbish.

Toodles

Why?

I am running 34t with 11-42 10 speed using all the One Up gizmos and it works perfectly. Total cost for chain ring, cage and cassette adapter was about 70-80 quid

Sorry i should clarify, i dont think the system is rubbish per-se, i think its an expensive way of doing things, buy a cassette, chuck half of it away and then buy two extra parts on top to get a smooth ratio.
Heard some real horror story's about the expander blocks only lasting a few rides? (i cannot confirm this as it wasn't on my bike) £80 block, another £16 for the replacement ring further down the cassette on already on a £60 cassette.
My point earlier for Shimano and Sram would to be make these cassettes at a reasonable cost, and be usable straight out the box.

Aluminium is better for the bigger sprockets, wear is a much bigger issue than torque and a bigger ring spreads the wear more.

The aluminium rings being larger will probably wear out at about the same time as the first steel one, so sounds about sensible to me? If we ever see it for sale that is!