Pro Cycling Team Genealogy
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet... dimspace (velorooms) has been working on a graphical genealogy of all pro teams:
http://velorooms.com/files/2013Full.pdf
Looks like a labour of love!
http://velorooms.com/files/2013Full.pdf
Looks like a labour of love!
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Only Dave (dimspace) would do this....
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That's pretty cool. In the 2014 thread there's a mention of Movistar moving away from Pinarello. Since they were Banesto all those years ago have they always used Pinarello? (I used to watch cycling when I was younger in the big mig years and have only come back to it in the last year or so)0
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Paul 8v wrote:That's pretty cool. In the 2014 thread there's a mention of Movistar moving away from Pinarello. Since they were Banesto all those years ago have they always used Pinarello? (I used to watch cycling when I was younger in the big mig years and have only come back to it in the last year or so)0
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Pdf link for this has moved.
its now http://velorooms.com/files/teamgen.pdf
theres been a lot updated, it now covers every single team to ride a grand tour since 1990 to the present date so 25 years of teams, all traced backwards as far as they go, and linked to each other etc, as well as all the previous incarnations of teams and teams that they come from so in some instances it goes back to the fifties and sixties.
Im taking a short break from doing this (ive been working on it on and off for a year). At the moment just doing little updates tidying it, drawing images for some of the more notable kits and adding them, then once im refreshed i will start working backwards again, i would like to get back to 1970 by the end of this off season. Regular updates will appear Here0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Only Dave (dimspace) would do this....
:P
To be honest, it has made a welcome change from doing stuff about doping (i just didnt actually realise what a task i had taken on when i started.)0 -
Now Armstrong has been stripped, who was 1st to win the Tour on Sh*mano?
Sastre?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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dimspace - no mention of Clas Cajastur?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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pinarello001 wrote:dimspace - no mention of Clas Cajastur?
They are in there, but they are buried in Italy with a spanish flag.
Because the sponsor, and both managers moved to Mapei-Clas i decided to put them feeding into Mapei because the various teams feeding into the mapei superteam was more interesting than having Clas (which was fairly shortlived) floating around in spain.. i should maybe put them in spain shaded with a note to "see mapei"
theres a few instances like that, for instance originally i had phonak in the us thread as their history to bmc was relevant but eventually relented. I will probably move switzerland under USA to make that link easier which is what ive done where possible.
(the pdf should be searchable - it is in foxit - so you can search for the teams you are looking for)0 -
Cheers dimspace. I sill have the Vini Caldirola/Longoni shorts.
Pepsi-Fannini ?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
pinarello001 wrote:Cheers dimspace. I sill have the Vini Caldirola/Longoni shorts.
Pepsi-Fannini ?
Havnt got that far back yet. This latest version covers all grand tour teams since 1990.
Basically what im doing is taking each year working backwards, so started with 2014 and go backwards year by year. Look at the grand tour entrants for that year,
so for instance, 1990 (which is the last year ive done), look at the list of GT entrants, identify which ones i havnt charted, i then trace them for their entire history (direct history) both forward and backwards. Then go back a year etc..
Fanini Maggi stopped in 92, oh.. hang on...
yes, i have completely missed Fanini Maggi.. I noticed them early on because they were amore & vita in 1990 and amore and vita continued sponsoring teams, but when ive looked at the 1990 giro ive seen amore and vita and had a brainfart moment and thought i had already done them.
that said, ive started looking at 1989 and had already spotted pepsi so i would have discovered my oversight.0 -
Actually theres some dispute over this.
Wikipedia and some other sources have the 1989 Pepsi-Alba Sucini linked to the 1990 amore/vita fanini team, but this may or not be correct
And there doesnt seem to be any correlation between riders or staff from Pepsi to the 1990 amore team (a couple of riders went there, but team boss went to Gis Gelati) so i think wikipedia and other sources are wrong.
In which case Pepsi ended in 1989, so i will get to them next update
this is why its such a nightmare. every new team brings up a whole bunch of conflicting information to be delved through0 -
Dim, I'm assuming you are aware of Memoire-du-Cyclisme. If not it's just about the best resource for what you're doing.
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/pelotons.phpTwitter: @RichN950 -
I have no idea as to what possessed you to do this but it is fascinating and chapeau.
I had a Gis Gelati/Jolly cycling jersey way back when I was a yoof and getting into this cycling thing - it was cheap. Have you any idea as to the 'Jolly' part of their sponsorship? Who were JollyI? tried Wiki but not much joy however, the amount of info on Italian cyclists/teams is phenomenal. Must take a lot of sorting.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
RichN95 wrote:Dim, I'm assuming you are aware of Memoire-du-Cyclisme. If not it's just about the best resource for what you're doing.
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/pelotons.php
That ^ goes back to 1868 !! 1868 !! Had to say that to myself twice. Wtf contraptions did they ride in 1868?
Worth a decent butchers but it's late and i'm off to bed.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
pinarello001 wrote:I have no idea as to what possessed you to do this but it is fascinating and chapeau.
I had a Gis Gelati/Jolly cycling jersey way back when I was a yoof and getting into this cycling thing - it was cheap. Have you any idea as to the 'Jolly' part of their sponsorship? Who were JollyI? tried Wiki but not much joy however, the amount of info on Italian cyclists/teams is phenomenal. Must take a lot of sorting.0 -
RichN95 wrote:Dim, I'm assuming you are aware of Memoire-du-Cyclisme. If not it's just about the best resource for what you're doing.
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/pelotons.php
Yeh, Memoire is one of my primary and most reliable sources.
All my sources are linked on teh updates page, but when the final chart is done i will also add them to that.
include but not limited to
wikipedia.es
wikipedia.it
wikipedia.fr
cqranking.com
les-sports.info
The Sports.org
Dopelogy.org
cyclisme-dopage.com
memoire-du-cyclisme.eu
histoire.maillots.free.fr
CyclingArchives.com
On the whole ive found wikipedia allarmingly unreliable the further back you go. I did start editing and correcting wikipedia as I went, but it got to the point where it was simple waaaaaay too much work.
most of the sourcing i do from memoire, but everything is then cross checked against histoire-maillots, les-sports info to establish its 100% correct. Spanish and Italian wiki come in useful for tracking the whereabouts of team managers.0 -
pinarello001 wrote:I have no idea as to what possessed you to do this but it is fascinating and chapeau.
Honestly, after spending far too much time over the last five years on doping related data (armstrong business links, armstrong test history, usada redacted names, team doctor lists, complete puerto lists, and gawd knows what else), i decided it was time to do something a little less doping focussed for the cyling community..
When i started last winter though i thought it would be something to maybe pass some time for a week or two, i totally underestimated a) just how much information would be required b) just how little or conflicting information there was, and by the time i realised the sheer magnitute of the task i figured, ive started, may as well finish. :S
The sad side note, is after making a conscious effort to get away from the doping side of things, this whole project finds itself no further away from that due to the constant flow of doctors, soigneurs, riders and staff from one dodgy barrel to another.pinarello001 wrote:I had a Gis Gelati/Jolly cycling jersey way back when I was a yoof and getting into this cycling thing - it was cheap. Have you any idea as to the 'Jolly' part of their sponsorship? Who were JollyI? tried Wiki but not much joy however, the amount of info on Italian cyclists/teams is phenomenal. Must take a lot of sorting.
Jolly were and still are a clothing company, at the time however, from memory, i seem to remember them being a cycling shoe manufacturer in the vein of Sidi etc. Think EKOI are their brand.0 -
Any links to your research on LA?
Ta.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
oh gawd..
business links (re-done for the inside cover of wheelmen)
http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/lance ... -dimspace/
test history
http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/the-l ... f-the-500/
http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/the-numbers-game/
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Just registered for next year's fantasy and have spent a nice couple of hours picking my team. I can't login yet as it has to be approved.0
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mm1 wrote:dimspace wrote:
Jolly were and still are a clothing company, at the time however, from memory, i seem to remember them being a cycling shoe manufacturer in the vein of Sidi etc. Think EKOI are their brand.
Different company? The 70s Jolly was Jolly Ceramica, tiles and stuff.
See, my brain is mushTakeTheHighRoad wrote:dimspace wrote:Pdf link for this has moved.
its now http://velorooms.com/files/teamgen.pdf[/url]
Is it my Adobe settings?
Right click and save as, there may be issues viewing it in browser because its crazy resolution.
if people ever have problems with pdfs and adobe reader i highly recommend foxit reader. Adobe for some reason takes up a gargantuan amount of disc space and is very slow. foxit is tiny and does a great jobJoelsim wrote:Just registered for next year's fantasy and have spent a nice couple of hours picking my team. I can't login yet as it has to be approved.
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There's been more than 2 UK pro teams!0
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mm1 wrote:dimspace wrote:
Jolly were and still are a clothing company, at the time however, from memory, i seem to remember them being a cycling shoe manufacturer in the vein of Sidi etc. Think EKOI are their brand.
Different company? The 70s Jolly was Jolly Ceramica, tiles and stuff.
I think it's Jollj Ceramica - my favourite jersey, Prendas have some.Look 566
Dolan Hercules
Genesis Flyer
Sintesi 707
Genesis Aether
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What do the various colours mean? I mean, is there a precise logic behind the choice of colour to identify a period of time or is it rather subjective?0