Why is it called 105?
markhewitt1978
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Don't know why but this has bothered me
All the others have names, even Claris now . But 105 is just a number. I guess the 5 comes from it being number 5 in the Shimano road groupset hierarchy or is it that they used to all be called e.g. 103 for Sora, 104 for Tiagra, and they couldn't think of a name for 105?
All the others have names, even Claris now . But 105 is just a number. I guess the 5 comes from it being number 5 in the Shimano road groupset hierarchy or is it that they used to all be called e.g. 103 for Sora, 104 for Tiagra, and they couldn't think of a name for 105?
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The others were never called 103 etc.
I do not think there is a specific reason why 105 was picked as the numbers for it to have.
Claris makes me laugh
I think they have had enough of the rumour that 2300 is as good as 105 and resorted to giving it a girly name to put people off0 -
IQ of people who think its any good?I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles0
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Maybe a 105th edition?
Or
Anniversary of some kind ?0 -
...or the time they finished the design?0
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Shimano 105 goes back a long way to the Golden Arrow groupset from the early 1980s which was brought in below DuraAce and Shimano 600 (later became Ultegra) - it predates Sora and Tiagra by nearly 20 years.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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SloppySchleckonds wrote:IQ of people who think its any good?
thats actually above average!!www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0 -
Chris Bass wrote:SloppySchleckonds wrote:IQ of people who think its any good?
thats actually above average!!
Thats what he meant. It was a complement0 -
Sure I read somewhere that 105- was the prefix on the original drawing sequence numbers, and it stuck. I could be as wrong as the next man though.0
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i have to come clean, it was me...
years ago, shimano had contracted naming to a uk marketing agency, but they suffered total failure of inspiration, they'd tried "advat", "ben", "ethel", "centaur", but shimano weren't happy with any of these
things were tense, the launch was next week, thom van tiem, the chief exec, faced loss of the account, and in japan the team contemplated the honourable option
in desperation, a fatigued shimano salaryman, still dazed from the previous night's karaoke and suntory, tried one last time to contact the agency, but in his befuddled state he misdialed
sleepily, i answered the phone
"hnggg, nooooo, whayouwant?"
"haro, van tiem?"
"yougottabeshittingme, ok i look, it's one oh five"
"banzai! one oh five! subarashii! doumo arigatou gozaimasu! kakkoii! sayonara!"
"sure, nightynight"
<click>
the rest is historymy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Dura-ace was Dura-ace 7100 at introduction... Ultegra was Ultegra 6000... but 105 was A105.
No consistency.
Don't know what they're going to do when they develop more groupsets though:
Dura-ace - 7000
Ultegra - 6000
105 - 5000
Tiagra - 4000
Sora - 3000
Claris - 2000
That only leaves room for a 1000 series and a zero series :roll:0 -
ALIHISGREAT wrote:Dura-ace was Dura-ace 7100 at introduction... Ultegra was Ultegra 6000... but 105 was A105.
No consistency.
Don't know what they're going to do when they develop more groupsets though:
Dura-ace - 7000
Ultegra - 6000
105 - 5000
Tiagra - 4000
Sora - 3000
Claris - 2000
That only leaves room for a 1000 series and a zero series :roll:
Isn't the 1000 series the unbranded stuff that's worse than Claris? Tourney?
Don't forget Dura Ace is 9000 now.0 -
Has anyone put on say an Ultegra rear cassette and wondered why the spacers are marked "105"? Only to realise it's actually 10S. As in "10 Speed".
I wonder if this points to "105" as a legacy canny bit of Shimano smoke and mirror marketing from when it was introduced in the 1990s and the idea of a 10-speed bit of kit was very aspirational? So the next best thing was a 9-speed solution, with a name that looked a bit like it could be 10-speed!?
It's a bit like my bobbins plastic mini-pump that has that criss-cross carbon fibre effect lacquer.0 -
ALIHISGREAT wrote:Dura-ace was Dura-ace 7100 at introduction... Ultegra was Ultegra 6000... but 105 was A105.
No consistency.
Don't know what they're going to do when they develop more groupsets though:
Dura-ace - 7000
Ultegra - 6000
105 - 5000
Tiagra - 4000
Sora - 3000
Claris - 2000
That only leaves room for a 1000 series and a zero series :roll:
9 groupsets is about 4 too many anyway
I won't be losing sleep over what they will do after the new Doris - 1000 comes out and they run out of low 1000 series numbers for the Fiona groupset :shock:0 -
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Titanium Bertoletti0 -
Carbonator wrote:9 groupsets is about 4 too many anyway
They could get away with 3 really.
Base Model (2400/Claris)
Decent Model (105)
Top End (Dura Ace)0 -
Martin bikeradar wrote:Has anyone put on say an Ultegra rear cassette and wondered why the spacers are marked "105"? Only to realise it's actually 10S. As in "10 Speed".
I wonder if this points to "105" as a legacy canny bit of Shimano smoke and mirror marketing from when it was introduced in the 1990s and the idea of a 10-speed bit of kit was very aspirational? So the next best thing was a 9-speed solution, with a name that looked a bit like it could be 10-speed!?
It's a bit like my bobbins plastic mini-pump that has that criss-cross carbon fibre effect lacquer.
Yup, I'll put my hands up to that :oops:
10S TO 105 sounds like a cool reason to name it 105.
They should dump Tiagra and make Ultegra and Dura ace 11 speed, then it would make complete sense :P0 -
markhewitt1978 wrote:Carbonator wrote:9 groupsets is about 4 too many anyway
They could get away with 3 really.
Base Model (2400/Claris)
Decent Model (105)
Top End (Dura Ace)
I think 5
Claris (I actually think the name suits it now and quite like it) for the 2300 fan club.
Sora 9 speed for budget/junior road bikes.
105 10 speed for your average good road bike
Ultegra 11 speed for something a little better
Dura Ace 11 speed for something more than a little better
With Di2 versions of 105/Ultegra/DA
Had a go on a Di2 bike the other day and it's the future
Was not at all interested in it until I rode one for 5 min.0