Sram Red or Ultegra di2
golfergmc
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If the price was the same what would you go for?
Cervelo S5 Team 2012
Scott Addict R2 2010
Specialized Rockhopper Comp SL 2010
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Scott Addict R2 2010
Specialized Rockhopper Comp SL 2010
Kona Tanuki Supreme
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Ultegra Di2 looks pig, hopefully the next gen will be better.
I also prefer the double tap shifting and the other reasons mentioned above.
That said, it is personal preference but keep in mind that replacement costs for Ui2 are higher than those of sram red for most parts and you can't go for a cheaper replacement part in emergencies (e.g. rear mech dragged into frame, with RED you can get a force rear mech but with Ui2 ou have to go and spend £200 on a new Ui2 rear mech)
One is a top end groupset used in the pro peloton, the other is the censored son of another groupset, and looks censored too.
They are both the same price, BTW, within a few quid.
I've had most top end group sets and currently run Force which is so-so. I've had to replace a brake lever and the shift is clunky. Great brakes though.
I figured that Red would feel good on the first ride but Di2 would continue to feel special for longer. Have only built it up on Saturday it's early to say but the shift is brilliant, it's a doddle to set up ( unlike Red) and I like the dark colour. Red would have been a bit blingy on my bike but of course it is nicer in general. I'm happy with the choice I made, though I agree with the comments. Just wanted a change really.
ABCC Cycling Coach
Where are you hearing these stories from? Unless you can point these people out, this simply isn't true. Like a lot of others on here, I have it, it's faultless, it never needs adjustment and it is unaffected by the rain. The battery check is so simple and you just do it at the end of every ride. If you don't check your battery and you run out, well that's like not checking your tyre pressures and getting a pinch puncture.
The reality is that you will really struggle to find a user that doesn't love it.
I don't buy parts based on the cost to replace, I buy them based on their performance. No properly adjust mech should ever get dragged into a wheel. That a Di2 mech will never go out of adjustment means that this is even less likely to happen.
If you don't like the idea of Di2, just say so. But please don't make stuff up to justify why you don't have it.
For what it's worth, I had double taps on my last bike and loved them. I now have Di2 with 2013 Force chainrings and cassette and think that is (short of a Red cog set) just about as good as it gets.
Boardman FS Pro
Can you really see your rear mech, if looking down/back to see what cassette cog you are on? With Di2, you don't have to look down to see if it has changed gear, you know it will have.
There are plenty of things that are not very pretty on a bike, compared to the lesser alternative... STI shifters - bulky, look heavy, not pretty. Red/DA/Ultegra/Vision solid faced chainrings - really ugly and don't look like the lightweight things that they really are.
With many things, not just in cycling but in all walks of life, sometimes the best performing products are not the ones that are the best looking as function takes the lead over form.
When it comes to mech, front or rear, none are what I would describe at 'pretty'.
Boardman FS Pro
Yeah 'cus if Cheryl Cole "performed" as well as she looked then Ashley Cole wouldn't have played away all the time !
Then again he is a pro footballer......
If people can't set it up that's another matter, but it's not difficult to set it up, no more than any other mechanical groupset.
Mind you, I suppose some people can't setup anything as some people have no mechanical nouse at all and couldn't even adjust a seatpost or a headset, I think electric offers advantages to these people.
Haha yes, Myleen and Kylie also fall into this category. I'm sure there are many others.
For those that are worried about mud/cold/wet, there is a good review of Di2 on WW.
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... 048089851b
The latest versions are even better.
Boardman FS Pro
These debates always turn into personal insults don't they? Apparently anyone with Ultegra Di2 is a 'berk' too.
Have you seen how many pro teams have SRAM now compared to a couple of years ago? It's not just 'they ride what they're given' either since apparently some teams have paid with there own money to have Di2 since the riders like it so much. Mind you they're probably all berks and their mechanics incompetant.
Looking at the new stuff on the front page, I think I'd go Ui2, bit I confess it would only be for.novelty/pump value...
- @ddraver
You got it, berks.
No, the point is Ui2 vs Red, one is a top end groupset that's light and brilliant, the other is Shimano's entry level and somewhat heavy electric groupset. The only reason to have ui2 over red is if you are incompetent enough to setup a mechanical groupset. Seeing as mechanical groupsets have been around for decades and decades, they are pretty much hassle free, and Sram Red is right there with the best of them. Having Sram Red over Ui2 is a no brainer really. Its like picking a Vauxhall Astra with Climate Control over a BMW with Air Conditioning to me.
I'm serious, some people couldn't setup and index gears to work faultlessly anyway, some people take their bike to a bike shop to cut off some steerer or adjust a headset or change some brake blocks... these people I understand don't want something that benefits from knowing a little about now and again... but once a mechanical setup is setup properly, bar censored maintenance or initial cable stretch, it will play ball for years and years.
You get probably more people having problems with di2 in the peloton than you do Sram Red too. The rest is simply a matter of sponsorship as to who has what.
I was seriously torn between Red and Di2 (ridiculous to call it entry level. If there was Sora Di2 would it suddenly be high end?) and I don't think I chose Di2 because I'm incompetant. Have you tried both over a reasonible distance? I'm interested to hear, though wiser (and less pig headed ) people than you have raved about Di2. I don't have a huge bias to be honest.
Well, maybe you've got no taste, lots of people haven't
I know it ruins the look of some otherwise nice bikes for sure, not that many people can see it. If you take a cross section of the public for instance and example, somehow there are some people who wear baseball caps and think they look good, even though under the rim baseball caps are clearly labelled 'insert tw*t here'.
Can you not see how that post makes you look? Whilst you wish to tar us Di2 users with the same brush, I am very pleased to report that the Red users I know are nice people.
For the record there is no Ui2, there is DA Di2 and Ultegra Di2. Ultegra Di2 is 50g heavier than the mechanical Ultegra mechs and cables.
Your anger and abusiveness mean I will not comment on this any more.
Boardman FS Pro
People in general don't have much taste though design-wise, I'll stick by that.
Anger??
If you think any of that is serious and abusive maybe brush your brain with Sensodyne a little bit. You can ride whatever you like, as can we all, and everybody's decisions are based on different things, simple as that. U12 is still fugly though
I was sceptical at first , yes it adds a bit weight but unless you a serious mechanical (I.e battery failure) I'd argue that electronic coud actually be less routine maintenance , no need to index your gears anymore after any cable stretch with those micro shifters
I have SRAM rival and Ultegra 6700 , prefer smoothness of shimano but the fixed brake lever and double click of SRAM but its not so smooth switching on the front ring...can anyone tell me how Red compares to Rival ..I know it's lighter but is it as clunky ?
IIRC DA 9000 is actually heavier than DA 9070.
- @ddraver