Two years ban up for Dan Staite...

Or his mistake was to take a load of drugs and try and cheat other riders?

I noticed last year that a Dan Staite won a parkrun event (that's running, for the cyclists amongst us).

Presumably if he returned to the sport, he'd be back as a 3rd cat? - he didn't get enough points to maintain his 1st cat licence in the '10 season prior to his ban, and no points in the '11 season.

TarmacExpert wrote:

jibberjim wrote:

Yes all WADA sports, however park run does not operate under UK Athletics, so they would set their own rules, and apparently welcome banned dopers.

I doubt that they specifically welcome them,

The response on twitter was that they specifically welcome anyone, I'm still waiting the fuller response via email.

TarmacExpert wrote:

more that as they're just fun events would it really be worth the admin overhead to try to ensure that they can't take part,

It would be impossible - but it's rather different trying to stop someone taking part, and lauding their achievements in "winning" an event, it would be very simply for them to say "unknown runner" in the results or "Removed as currently serving a ban under world doping rules". It's interesting as anyone who has a BC race licence, or is a member of UK Athletics or any other organisation which requires you to sign up to the WADA code. And one of the responsibilities contain within that code on athletes is "To use their influence on Athlete values and behavior to foster anti-doping attitudes.". It's my belief that by not supporting UKAD bans, and facillitating continued outlets for convicted dopers to compete that anyone who does that is not meeting their WADA obligations.

It would also be a simple case to bring the park run under UKAD, and that way enforcement is brought about because anyone who then competes would have their ban extended for entering whilst banned - there would be no need for any management on Parkruns part at all.

TarmacExpert wrote:

would someone even be cheating, strictly speaking, if they doped and took part in a parkrun?

Nope, you'd be completely fine - there's some confusion if it's a race with a winner, or a timed event though, in many places park run specifically avoid any discussion of it being a race, saying it's only a timed event. However they then publish and celebrate winners.

jibberjim wrote:

it would be very simply for them to say "unknown runner" in the results or "Removed as currently serving a ban under world doping rules".
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It would also be a simple case to bring the park run under UKAD, and that way enforcement is brought about because anyone who then competes would have their ban extended for entering whilst banned - there would be no need for any management on Parkruns part at all.

But wouldn't any of that get you into issues of needing to establish identity? Otherwise anyone could go along and race as Dan Staite and get his ban extended out of malice. Or a different person called Dan Staite might race, and they'd have all sorts of fuss trying to establish for sure that it's someone else with the same name rather than the banned person.

TarmacExpert wrote:

But wouldn't any of that get you into issues of needing to establish identity? Otherwise anyone could go along and race as Dan Staite and get his ban extended out of malice. Or a different person called Dan Staite might race, and they'd have all sorts of fuss trying to establish for sure that it's someone else with the same name rather than the banned person.

Yes of course, But it would by UKAD establishing the proof - the same as if a banned athlete entered a CTT event or Club 10. It's not the responsibility of the organiser to obtain proof of identity of individuals and prove that they are not banned.

PaulThomo wrote:

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

His mistake was to give some Rapha lads a kicking and catch the eye of Herety who reported it. A big victory for the BC anti-doping system, apparently :roll:

His mistake, according to those in the know (that's me by the way as I am the organiser of the race in which his test was conducted) was to buy his dope from a known dealer that was spilling the beans and therefore BC had been trying to test him at a race for some time (months). That he gave the Rapha boys a bit of a kicking in a race was a coincidence as BC had already targetted him.

Paul

Apologies in that case. At the time I was racing seriously and pally with a couple of Rapha lads from up this way who'd said Herety had potted him, obviously there was an outside source but not him if BC had been targeting earlier, just coincidence I guess! Why did it take so long to test him out of curiosity?

Chip \'oyler wrote:

The lads done the crime and served the time - so let him get on with his life

I think the hate towards him is as much about how much of a knob he came across as in the aftermath.

And I suspect there are plenty of amateur racers, 2nd Cats even, doing similar and getting away with it.

turbo hamster wrote:

TarmacExpert wrote:

anyone could go along and race as Dan Staite and get his ban extended out of malice. Or a different person called Dan Staite might race, and they'd have all sorts of fuss trying to establish for sure that it's someone else with the same name rather than the banned person.

My original observation was that a Dan Staite had won an event. I have no way of knowing if that was the Dan Staite.

Bit of a b*mmer, if you happen to be a totally different Dan Staite. You participate in parkrun in all innocence, then the mighty forces of WADA crash down upon you. Possibly.

That's nothing...my mate is called David Millar - you can imagine the fun when he emailed British Cycling to ask about their Olympic Development Program