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supersonicsupersonic Posts: 82,708 Lives Here
edited March 2012 in The hub
Anybody play? Got to be very careful with the terms and conditions! I signed up to 32Red and deposited a £20 and they gave me a £32 bonus. Great I thought - until I found out you have to play it off THIRTY times before you can withdraw! You can't chose whether to bet with your own deposited cash, or the 'bonus' cash - it comes out of the deposit. And until you have played through £960 you can't withdraw a thing.

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  • What games are you looking for Sonic?

    Your best bet (no pun intended) for most sites is to sign up using an affiliate code where possible.
  • supersonicsupersonic Posts: 82,708 Lives Here
    Just slots mainly, low stakes. 32Red was pretty annoying, very difficult to interpret what they meant. I eventually went into live help and complained saying I have bet with my money, won, and I wanted it. He gave me the money ;-)
  • Before I start (and as I'm sure you're already aware), you'll never win on slots / roulette etc. So any bonus you get it going to be inconsequential in the long run. As you've already discovered, they structure them in such a way to ensure you'll never actualy see any of the benefit from this bonus.

    The casinos are not really my area, so take this with a pinch of salt, but my understanding is that standard practice with the casinos is that you have to play through the non-deposit bonuses 30 times before you can cash it out. The first deposit bonuses and reload bonuses are a bit different. They'll usually make you play through your first deposit once before releasing the bonus to your account, and you then have to play through your bonus 20 times before that is released for cashout.

    Online slots are usually set to around 96%-98% payout. If you insist on blowing money on them, look for a casino that offers 98% slots, you'll blow through your stack slower (they're also less likely to offer the headline bonuses).

    Assuming a $20 non-deposit bonus you need to play through $600 before they release anything for cashout. Chances of grinding out more than $600 from $20 on slots are going to be about zero.

    Play some online poker instead :D At least that way you're paying my wages and not some shady casino. lol
  • supersonicsupersonic Posts: 82,708 Lives Here
    Just a bit of fun really - the occasional biggish win feels good ;-)

    The way they structured it was that by giving you a 'bonus' (that you could not refuse), they didn't allow you to withdraw your OWN money! Very unfair, they force you to play through. For example you could deposit £20, and they give you £20. Their rules are you must see a turnover of 32x the bonus ie £640. You put £10 on green zero and win say £320. You can't touch it! You need to play thprough another 300 or so, by which time you might have lost the lot. Ridiculous, it forces you tp play.
  • sheepsteethsheepsteeth Posts: 17,418 Webster
    i find gambling to be a bit dodgy at the best of times, i cant get over the fact that online it is even dodgier to my mind although i will concede it may not be as shady as it sounds although it looks like you have already found out that it is very shady indeed.

    i was once advised to only gamble with money you can afford to lose and as im a pikey devil and money never seems to go far enough no matter how much you have, i rarely, rarely gamble.

    that said, ive been to the horses a couple of times and to the dogs a couple of times. at the horses i would only gamble a maximum of 50 quid each of the times and at the dogs i think i only gambled a maximum of 20 quid. broke even each time but i was only putting a couple of quid on at a race and never actually came close to placin as much as i had taken.

    animal racing is a lot more fun with a few quid on it but i find casino slots and roulette to be an utter mugs game, sme goes for slots and gamlers in pubs.
  • RiggaRigga Posts: 939
    I'll stick to online porn thanks!
  • cooldadcooldad Posts: 32,599
    Online gambling always seems stupid to me - how hard can it be to write a bit of code that gives the house a 99% advantage without being obvious.
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  • Oh there will always be a hardcore element who are convinced online *insert game type here* is fully rigged. But it does seem that element is getting smaller and smaller.

    As someone who works in the online Poker industry, I've heard it all. Every crakpot theory going about how Poker is rigged, and I've yet to find one argument that holds any water. The day someone manages to convince me with actual facts, is the day I'll jump ship. Can't see it ever happening though, if I thought even for a second, that something shady was going on, I'd quite simply not be here.

    My particular company has been around for over 10 years now. In that time we've dealt *almost* 80billion hands. That's right, 80 BILLION. (we only do poker)

    If anything was less than random in any way, it'd have been turned up by now.

    There was actually one case a few years back with one company who had a "superuser" account. But that was quickly uncovered (check 2+2 forums and you'll soon find what I'm talking about) and the company in question went under VERY quickly. That portrayed a very negative image of the industry, as we all got tarred with the same brush (to be expected really).

    There is simply nothing for these companies to gain from "rigging" the games. Especially with Poker. The house wins regardless. We take a rake from each dealt hand. That way, you're not playing against the house, ever. You only play against other people. There is no incentive for any poker company to do anything else. We've got thousands of players analyzing billions of hands, plus independant companies, and various licensing authorities. If anyone actually hd any evidence this was going on, it would be worth literally billions of dollars.

    The casinos are a bit different, you ARE playing a machine there, but the odds (especially on slots) are no better than in a regular casino. In fact, they are actually slightly better because they need to be as compatition amongst the casinos is so intense.

    Think about the amount of money brick and mortar casinos make. And they have a fixed location with very specific footfall. Online casinos have an entire planet as their potential footfall, and a fraction of the overheads of a "real" casino.

    [/shill] :p
  • bennett_346bennett_346 Posts: 5,029
    Oh there will always be a hardcore element who are convinced online *insert game type here* is fully rigged. But it does seem that element is getting smaller and smaller.

    As someone who works in the online Poker industry, I've heard it all. Every crakpot theory going about how Poker is rigged, and I've yet to find one argument that holds any water. The day someone manages to convince me with actual facts, is the day I'll jump ship. Can't see it ever happening though, if I thought even for a second, that something shady was going on, I'd quite simply not be here.

    My particular company has been around for over 10 years now. In that time we've dealt *almost* 80billion hands. That's right, 80 BILLION. (we only do poker)

    If anything was less than random in any way, it'd have been turned up by now.

    There was actually one case a few years back with one company who had a "superuser" account. But that was quickly uncovered (check 2+2 forums and you'll soon find what I'm talking about) and the company in question went under VERY quickly. That portrayed a very negative image of the industry, as we all got tarred with the same brush (to be expected really).

    There is simply nothing for these companies to gain from "rigging" the games. Especially with Poker. The house wins regardless. We take a rake from each dealt hand. That way, you're not playing against the house, ever. You only play against other people. There is no incentive for any poker company to do anything else. We've got thousands of players analyzing billions of hands, plus independant companies, and various licensing authorities. If anyone actually hd any evidence this was going on, it would be worth literally billions of dollars.

    The casinos are a bit different, you ARE playing a machine there, but the odds (especially on slots) are no better than in a regular casino. In fact, they are actually slightly better because they need to be as compatition amongst the casinos is so intense.

    Think about the amount of money brick and mortar casinos make. And they have a fixed location with very specific footfall. Online casinos have an entire planet as their potential footfall, and a fraction of the overheads of a "real" casino.

    [/shill] :p
    I bet it's fixed though.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 79,667
    Long gone are the early days where you could go through many of these sites using the intro freebies and cash in fairly well if you play them right.

    They operate now as proper casinos. The house ultimately always wins remember. Sure you can make the odd win here and there and they allow for that, but the odds are against you (and that's legal). You will ultimately lose or otherwise make a small insignificant amount and run away. The rules stacked against the intro freebies mean you are very unlikely to come away with anything unless you put in money yourself. Like a lottery, there are the very few who will win big. Your chances there are tiny. These winners will more than likely come back for more and blow it.

    Frankly you may as well go for a payday loan shark (sorry, legitimate loan company ;)), get the same amount of cash and then stack up the same amount of debt rather than waste time here.

    Or go to Vegas. Sure you lose your money but it's more fun. Maybe get married at the same time ;)
  • supersonicsupersonic Posts: 82,708 Lives Here
    Well I decided to go with Ladbrokes - their introductory offer was fair and plain. Deposit £10, and play through once and you can claim AFTER another £40 (this has to be played through 10x, which is quite small). So no getting one set of credit mixed up with another, forcing you to play off your own dough.

    Anyway, I deposited a tenner, won £65, drew that out, then claimed my £40 ;-)
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 20,594
    Don't.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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