Pads for a shimano tiagra?

Bike-Rich
Bike-Rich Posts: 275
edited April 2013 in Workshop
Hi,

Just looking to get some new pads for a shimano tiagra setup.
Do you think these will be ok (compatible)?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-PAIRS-Shima ... 2318bc560c

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  • bus_ter
    bus_ter Posts: 337
    I'm sure they're fine and compatible, but personally I wouldn't go with an unknown brand off ebay and just buy some originals from your LBS.
  • Yossie
    Yossie Posts: 2,600
    Nah - funk that for a game. Koolstop salmon/black, £6.99 a pop. Work fantastic, last ages, relatively cheap.
  • Bike-Rich
    Bike-Rich Posts: 275
    Interesting,
    Will look out for some Koolstop pads then in the salmon/black variety. And these should fit the Tiagra braking system right?

    Kind regards,
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    The ebay pads are OK and given the stupid UK prices for Shimano ones, are far better value. Alternatively, order your Shimano ones from Germany.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • sturmey
    sturmey Posts: 964
    NO, they will not fit your calipers as they are not suitable as Tiagra replacements. Other posters on here clearly know no better. The original Tiagra 4500 pads are not a cartridge type pad but are an all in one ,as here:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=31551

    or here:
    http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... RIVBRBL500

    You could buy some cartridge type pads complete with the holders though.These would fit ok.
    Such as:
    http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... RIVBRBL200
  • Twostage
    Twostage Posts: 987
    I use uberbike pads and they work fine. Just buy the cartridges to hold them :-

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Dura- ... _500wt_689

    It means your first set is more expensive but it gives you more choice once you have them.
  • Bike-Rich
    Bike-Rich Posts: 275
    Many thanks for all suggestions :)

    Twostage > if I were to purchase them new shoes and pads what kind of options will that give me in future over what I can get now? I presume it will give me access to a higher quality pad?

    edit: from what I understand at the moment, I currently have block type pads (standard for the tiagra).
    But cartridge type brakes are better then block?
  • Yossie
    Yossie Posts: 2,600
    sturmey wrote:
    NO, they will not fit your calipers as they are not suitable as Tiagra replacements. Other posters on here clearly know no better. The original Tiagra 4500 pads are not a cartridge type pad but are an all in one ,as here:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=31551

    or here:
    http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... RIVBRBL500

    You could buy some cartridge type pads complete with the holders though.These would fit ok.
    Such as:
    http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... RIVBRBL200

    (Invoke shocked and outraged voice) But don't Koolstop do block type pads as well: Yes? Oh well, there you go then. Quel surprise.

    As an aside - yup, go for the catridge replacements if you can - opens up a whole new world in brake pads.
  • Bike-Rich
    Bike-Rich Posts: 275
    edited February 2012
    Thanks guys,

    Just to confirm the brake type currently fitted are these:

    IMG_2434.jpg

    So, my best option is to get some cartridge compatible shoes (like the ones suggested above) and then some pads.
    What kind of pads are rated as being 'good' in the cartridge range?

    Many thanks
  • Yossie
    Yossie Posts: 2,600
    Yes and Koolstop such as these (salmon and black)

    http://www.dotbike.com/p/3109

    You'll need two sets - one for your front and one for your back, but they are both the same so don't worry about them having no front and back markings.

    When you put them in the catridge holders, you will see a small grub screw - it goes at the back of the cartridge holder so that the round moulded part of the holder is pointing forward - this means that the pads can't fly out of the holder when applying maximimum Alpine descending style braking.

    The grub screws also become little sods to get out after a while - its normally a 2/2.5mm allen bolt, but they round off because they are made of cheese. Get a pair of normal pliers on their side, grab the screw as tight as, turn the holder not the pliers: the grub screws are only held in by two or three threads, so they will come straight out.

    Generally the new pads come with new grubs, so throw the old ones into next door's garden. No need to do them up really tight as there are no forces being applied to make them come undone and they have nut lock on them as standard.

    Examples of cartridge compatible: remember that black ones make you faster when pedalling (laboratory certified 2mph top end increase over silver) and brake better (laboratory certified extra 3.651G braking force).

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=45696

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=34860

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=61807

    Please note that I'm not recmmending the pads themselves, just showing what you can get as pad holder for your money.

    If you nip down to your LBS they may even have some old holders you can have for nothing.

    Your new cartridge pads will come with pads in them, so stick this link in youir calendar for when those wear out.

    HTH

    Y
  • Bike-Rich
    Bike-Rich Posts: 275
    That helps massively, thanks very much Yossie!

    Will let you know how i get on, 8)
  • acidstrato
    acidstrato Posts: 945
    I've bought ebay pads in the past for my tiagra, they didnt last as long but they did the job. cant knock the price tbh and performance matched tiagra block brakes. I simply wanted the shoes, wore out the pads and replaced with standard 105 spec cartridge pads
    Crafted in Italy apparantly
  • Bike-Rich
    Bike-Rich Posts: 275
    edited February 2012
    Just thought i'd update this as i fitted the new shoes now,

    IMG_2437.jpg

    The only problem I had were that the pads are slightly higher one end and I cannot see a screw (on bike or shoes) that would adjust this. So at the moment the upper part of pad hits slightly first (same on the rears).
    Arrow showing the higher side;

    IMG_2439%20copy.jpg

    I imagine though this should wear down level pretty fast?

    The only thing I was unsure of was when I took off the old 'block brakes', there was a spacer washer - do you think I should of used this on the new shoes?

    IMG_2441.jpg


    Will keep my eyes open for some salmon/blacks now,,
    Thanks
  • Yossie
    Yossie Posts: 2,600
    Good work that man - all looks nice and clean: very well done.

    Don't worry about the spacer washer - from the piccies it looks like you've fitted the new cartridges perfectly (essentially everything they need should be in the pack and you don't want to start introducing new washers etc).

    Re the heights - I can't see an immediate problem: as you say, they will wear down. So long as everything has been bolted in fine you should be ok, but as always, if anyone knows any different they may be able to help.

    HTH

    Y
  • Bike-Rich
    Bike-Rich Posts: 275
    Thanks Yossie :) Much appriciated.
  • Twostage
    Twostage Posts: 987
    Are you saying that the rubber is slightly thicker at one end ? Definitely wouldn't worry about that.
  • wishitwasallflat
    wishitwasallflat Posts: 2,927
    When it comes time to replace the pads in those new shoes (nice job by the way) +1 on getting Koolstops - I just got a set of Salmons a few weeks ago (wet weather) on reccomendations from forum members and they are unbelievably better - way more control and stopping power, wish I had got them months ago!
  • cwm
    cwm Posts: 177
    same question as op,would these suit
    pretty pretty
    now sharing my plods on
    http://www.strava.com/athletes/cwm
  • sandyballs
    sandyballs Posts: 577
    The second washer on the Tiagra pad is a dished washer to enable adjustment of toe-in / toe-out. From the look of your new ones they are not adjustable.
  • Bike-Rich
    Bike-Rich Posts: 275
    Twostage wrote:
    Are you saying that the rubber is slightly thicker at one end ? Definitely wouldn't worry about that.

    Yes, just a tiny bit thicker on front end but, I've had some use of the bike lately and i can see they have already levelled out.
    The brakes are definitely an improvement over the 'blocks', will be getting some salmon/blacks soon and will let you know how I get on.
    Sandyballs wrote:
    The second washer on the Tiagra pad is a dished washer to enable adjustment of toe-in / toe-out. From the look of your new ones they are not adjustable.

    Ahh ok that's good to know, thanks. When you say 'toe in/out' what would that be used for?
    Nothing to do with shoes right?
  • Bike-Rich
    Bike-Rich Posts: 275
    Hi all,
    Sorry to bring this up again,
    Pads have been great with no problems but they are due to be replaced soon and just want to check that kool-stop salmon/blacks are still the best to go for?

    Many thanks,

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