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Giro 2012: Passo Stelvio finish

Sonny73Sonny73 Posts: 2,604
edited May 2012 in Pro race
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... story.html
The Giro d'Italia will top the Tour de France and Vuelta a España on its penultimate stage next year as it climbs to the highest point in Grand Tour history: 2,832 metres up the Passo Stelvio.
Italian newspaper Tuttosport, which reported the news today, called the stage "incredible and spectacular" and said it will surely decide the 2012 Giro d'Italia.
EDIT: (cheers andyp for noting the first pic posted was the wrong side ;))

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  • andypandyp Posts: 8,132
    The rumoured route comes up the south side from Bormio, not the north side in the picture.
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,132
    It's also a big risk to climb that high in May, so is dependent on the weather being benign.
  • ProssPross Posts: 22,360
    Has it never been over the Stelvio before? I'm amazed at that!

    Was going to ride it this year (twice) in a 130 mile loop together with the Gavia and Mortirolo but lack of money prevented me going over :(
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,132
    It's been over the Stelvio, they've just never finished a stage at the summit (although the reported height would suggest the finish is above the pass on a ski service road or similar).
  • Sonny73Sonny73 Posts: 2,604
    andyp wrote:
    The rumoured route comes up the south side from Bormio, not the north side in the picture.
    :oops: picture edited.
  • ProssPross Posts: 22,360
    andyp wrote:
    It's been over the Stelvio, they've just never finished a stage at the summit (although the reported height would suggest the finish is above the pass on a ski service road or similar).

    That would make sense as if they had been over it before then the quote would be wrong in saying that it it would be the highest ever point in a GT which is what confused me.
  • Yes, this finish is "off piste" on sterrato.
    To hard and too late in the race.
    Mortirolo probably wasted.

    Almost as if the new organizers are looking to be just as extreme as Zomegnan, but in a more traditional way.

    I hope they don't stick too many of their eggs into this one basket, although I hear San Pellegrino in Alpe is set to make a return after 12 years.......which is good.
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  • The mortirolo bit is pretty pointless. Would rather see that as either the last climb or followed by the Aprica as a summit finish
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,132
    The Mortirolo bit is there to sap the strength before the final 25 km climb up the Stelvio.
  • Yes, this finish is "off piste" on sterrato.
    To hard and too late in the race.
    Mortirolo probably wasted.

    Almost as if the new organizers are looking to be just as extreme as Zomegnan, but in a more traditional way.

    I hope they don't stick too many of their eggs into this one basket, although I hear San Pellegrino in Alpe is set to make a return after 12 years.......which is good.

    Last time San Pellegrino in Alpe was too early in the race – at least that's what Francesco Casagrande would think.
  • Pross wrote:
    Has it never been over the Stelvio before? I'm amazed at that!

    Was going to ride it this year (twice) in a 130 mile loop together with the Gavia and Mortirolo but lack of money prevented me going over :(

    Yeah, lack of talent would stop me everytime. :(:(:(
  • jerry3571jerry3571 Posts: 1,532
    +1 :cry:
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  • ProssPross Posts: 22,360
    Pross wrote:
    Has it never been over the Stelvio before? I'm amazed at that!

    Was going to ride it this year (twice) in a 130 mile loop together with the Gavia and Mortirolo but lack of money prevented me going over :(

    Yeah, lack of talent would stop me everytime. :(:(:(

    There was that as well but if I'd been able to commit I would have got some training in :wink:
  • phreakphreak Posts: 2,031
    I'm wondering if the Giro organisers aren't shooting themselves in the foot a bit. I mean it's a bruising stage, but the race is so tough now that it seems impossible that anyone with serious intentions towards the Tour will ride the Giro as well. They could be doing themselves out of a good number of the very best riders by making the route quite so punishing.
  • Confirmed and CN has a piece, too:
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    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mortiro ... ro-ditalia
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  • andypandyp Posts: 8,132
    The ascent of the Mortirolo from Tovo S. Agata is rated as the hardest of the five or so routes you can take to the summit on www.salite.ch. It looks brutal;

    http://www.salite.ch/11291.asp?Mappa=
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 47,481 Lives Here
    Didn't realise how high it was.

    Makes the Mortirolo look like a 2nd cat.
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,132
    The last 3 kms are the hardest too, which matters when you're above 2500 metres.
  • Sonny73Sonny73 Posts: 2,604
    That's quite a profile eh!
  • phreak wrote:
    I'm wondering if the Giro organisers aren't shooting themselves in the foot a bit. I mean it's a bruising stage, but the race is so tough now that it seems impossible that anyone with serious intentions towards the Tour will ride the Giro as well. They could be doing themselves out of a good number of the very best riders by making the route quite so punishing.

    This is only true if the rest of race is like the 2011 Giro. This stage might be the toughest of the race and as long as they don't have 7 other MTFs and a series of inhumane transfers between stages then the riders should be ok and the parcours won't put off potential TDF contenders. I do recall reading somewhere that the new Director of the Giro said he wanted the 2012 version to be more like 2010 and less like 2011. We'll soon find out.
  • phreakphreak Posts: 2,031
    To be fair though, the 2010 was brutal enough and I can't think of anyone that rode that race going on to do well in the Tour. Of course for us it led to an incredible race that was arguably better than the Tour, but it's not enough to have a great parcour if you don't have the best riders too.
  • FJSFJS Posts: 4,820
    andyp wrote:
    The ascent of the Mortirolo from Tovo S. Agata is rated as the hardest of the five or so routes you can take to the summit on www.salite.ch. It looks brutal;

    http://www.salite.ch/11291.asp?Mappa=
    That's crazy! And do we read 'sterrato' there? :twisted:
  • I think after the transfer from Denmark its going to be fairly short transfers and i hope they do stick to it too.

    Looking forward to seeing the full route in the next few weeks, it was suppsoed to go past my house this year but was re routed last minute due to a land slide.... Can't say i was best pleased and when i say re routed, the whole stage was changed and was 30 k away at its nearest point...

    was a nice sunny day though and got to see the stage finish instead!
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  • Today's tasty Giro 2012 tidbit:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2012-gi ... final-week
    Km. 73 Passo Valparola 13 kms-6% (13%)
    Km. 129,2 Passo Duran 12,2 kms-8,1% (14%)
    Km. 150,1 Forcella Staulanza 12,3 kms-6,9%
    Km. 169,6 Passo Giau 9,9 kms-9,3% (14%)

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  • YorkmanYorkman Posts: 290
    That's some climbing, the Duran is tough, and the descent off the Staulanza isn't that long before you're onto the Giau, the lower section is steep and straight, no breaks at all.
  • phreakphreak Posts: 2,031
    The Giau is a belter, especially after such a long day in the saddle.
  • keyser__sozekeyser__soze Posts: 2,066
    Cycled pretty much that route one day this summer during our Dolomites trip. Would love to see it as a stage.
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  • dsoutardsoutar Posts: 1,746
    Any thoughts on whether this might be curtailed ? Current conditions : http://webcam.popso.it/tmp/thumbnail/T_ ... 3765ba.jpg

    Yesterday might have been grim but that will nothing compared to the Stelvio unless there's a sudden heatwave

    Weather forecast looks grim too

    http://www.3bmeteo.com/meteo/passo+dello+stelvio/5
  • greasedscotsmangreasedscotsman Posts: 7,224
    I mentioned this in the Stage 15 thread yesterday. Could make the race interesting if this stage is canceled!
  • CumulonimbusCumulonimbus Posts: 1,730
    View from here doesnt look quite so bad as you dont have the snow on the roofs in the foreground.

    http://webcam.popso.it/cm/pages/ServeBL ... Pagina/28#

    Looks like it should warm up a bit this week but then turn cooler again at the weekend. There is even a chance of snow on the big day across the top.* I am sure the organisers will have a back-up plan should it be snowing at the top, maybe they'll stop it lower down if there is somewhere suitable. The earlier climbs top out quite a lot lower so the danger of snow should only be at the end.

    *Current forecast would be for a risk of showers, some heavy with a chance of hail and thunder. Snow above about 2300 metres. However, it is a long way out yet, am sure the organisers will be keeping a close eye on things.
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