Lights suitable for unlit country lanes?

Hi Jo

If you are riding in pitch black then I'd recommend a more powerful front light and I'm not sure most of those come up to scratch although I have no experience of the electron. For a rear light, the TL610 is pretty good but I recently followed a guy with a Smart Lunar that was eye-squintingly powerful so I'd look at those. The Knog lights are good for helmets and emergencies but in my experience the front light eats batteries up. I have the strobe on my lid as a high level light.

for £125 I got a magicshine 808 front light and 828 rear light that power from the same rechargeable battery + chargers and cables etc and have been pretty impressed. The front light is very bright and has different settings, the rear light is so bright it projects a beam that is brighter than the old lights I used to have on the front. Both lights seem well made and are only a bit let down by the fiddly way you have to change modes.

i can run both lights for about an hour and 40 before I get a low charge warning so thats enough for 3 legs of my commute - although I tend to use the front on low and medium for most of the journey. Low is still enough to see by in the dark and plenty to be seen by.

If that's over your budget then the front light + battery is about £80 I think and you could pick up a rear LED like the smart or cateye with the remainder.

I also use cateye orbit lights on the spokes which are very eyecatching in the dark - yes I do look like a xmas tree - they are designed for side visibility but are actually very good from slight angles to the front and rear too.

For backup I have a old cateye rear light on the stays and a topeak whitelite on the bars, + spare cells because I'm a belt and braces sort of bloke.

hope that helps
Joe

Jo,

Personally I have a dynamo hub charging my front light , which is a Busch & Muller IQ Cyo. The non-dynamo equivalent is the Busch & Muller Ixon Ix, seen on Amazon today at £80.99. Fantastic spread and reach of light. On a dark lane you will illuminate the whole road from side to side, plenty to see approaching potholes.

For the back I would go for two Smart 1/2 watt Superflash. They are £10-12.00, very bright, can be on flash or steady and I have one on each side for back up and max protection. Should fit inside your budget too.

Lycra Man

it's nice to make an impression but blinding an oncoming driver is probably a bit counterproductive in a narrow lane - and they make them narrow in Somerset...

Yes, i think it was the smart superflash i was thinking of, not the lunar.

The magichine lights are basically the optics and LED from a P7 torch but with a slightly more convenient external battery, hard to beat for money to lumen value though.
re: the beam from magichshines - yes I agree they are bit too floody but you could fit a DIY hood on the lamp to help reduce that. Most of my ride is fairly well lit so its not an issue, the really dark bits are bridleway so I onyl have to worry about other non motorists

As buy_my_cookie says, have a read of What Lights. There's a long discussion, but the standard recommendation is for something like a 2xXPG set up giving 600+ Lumens at under £50.

Lycra Man wrote:

Jo,

Personally I have a dynamo hub charging my front light , which is a Busch & Muller IQ Cyo. The non-dynamo equivalent is the Busch & Muller Ixon Ix, seen on Amazon today at £80.99. Fantastic spread and reach of light. On a dark lane you will illuminate the whole road from side to side, plenty to see approaching potholes.

For the back I would go for two Smart 1/2 watt Superflash. They are £10-12.00, very bright, can be on flash or steady and I have one on each side for back up and max protection. Should fit inside your budget too.

Lycra Man

Got the same set up & agree with this. IQ is maybe not the brghtest light in any one spot but good enough and very much has a confidence inducing spread of light.

On my non hub bike I have a Hope vision 1 on the front, its plenty bright enough (on top setting) to roll along at 15-20 on a totally dark field bounded road & very treey country park, it eats batteries for fun on top setting though, as soon as I'm back in streetlights its down to minimum power.

don't just have 1 x light front and back. have a 'to see by' and a 'to be seen by' light at the front and at least a couple on the back too.


someone mentioned the Smart Lunar. A great little light that I use primarily as my 'to be seen by' light. But I'd be careful pinning my hopes on it as a 'to see by' one, in total dark it isn't quite good enough to ride with confidence, but is good enough to get home carefully by if the Hope or IQ failed.

My set-up would blow your budget
Hope 1 LED front light
Light & Motion 360 lid light (F&R)
Multi-LED rear (various on various bikes) Mars 3.0 mostly

but here's what I've learned on the Highland single-track roads

Double lights is a must - bike light and lid light front & rear. Not only do they clearly mark you out as a cyclist but the lid light gives car early visibility of you over crests and hedges.

For me, the fixed Hope marks out the approaching road whereas the lid light allows me to pick out specific obstacles, potholes, side of the road, cycle meter etc etc. Both front lights have more than one light intensity plus a flashing mode (useful when you want people to be extra aware you're a cyclist)

Neighbour reckons I'm the best-lit bike he's ever seen.

MichaelW wrote:

Pitch black lanes dont need as much light as you think,.

Depends how fast you're going , whether it's raining :roll: , what on-coming traffic is like 8) etc. I'd much rather have the option for more light.

Blue Meanie wrote:

Stop roadies drafting you, fit a Smart 1/2watt to your bag!
I have to turn my Cateye610 down to one strip and turn the 1/2watt off if i'm pacing Mrs Meanie home.

+1 for the dealextreme link - 900lumens for £35 is hard to beat

Those lights are great but the light on that model is the old version which could let water in under extreme conditions, i have hte new sealed battery with power light and its fantastic, although a bit dearer.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mj-808-ha- ... -set-44459




customer piccie , and yes they are that bright.....



I use mine on a 4-5 mile unlit section of my 10 mile commute and i am completely confident riding in pitch black as i work shifts so i never see daylight.

I have a 100lumen Niterider Newt light and although a great light it is not bright enough for the pitch black lanes I sometimes commute back from work on.

These look like good value, although I would opt for the LED rather than halogen for the extra burn time: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... TQ:GB:1123

thiscocks wrote:

I have a 100lumen Niterider Newt light and although a great light it is not bright enough for the pitch black lanes I sometimes commute back from work on.

These look like good value, although I would opt for the LED rather than halogen for the extra burn time: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... TQ:GB:1123

That is very old tech, heavy NiMH battery, poor output for the money, bulky.

A 501b with XPG emitter can be had for about £13, add two Li cells (one spare) and a charger, maybe another £12 and you have better performance in a lightweight package. There is also an advantage of having removable cells (you can take a spare) over a single dedicated cell. One of these would be fine for a commute, two for off road/mtb.

See the What Lights therad and DIY's recommendations

diy wrote:

See Link to BoB but also available from DX

501b or 502b have approx a 30mm head. If you want something a little more floody then the C8 is similar with a 45mm head.

You will need:
18650 cells
charger and a mount. too.

Personally I would buy 2 501b XPGs Link
two trustfire protected or unprotected cells link
a charger link
two mounts (others have linked)

bob are shipping in under 2 weeks at the moment

Can't add any comments on the choice of front lights - I went with a Hope Vision 2 paired with a Cateye Single shot plus for my front light but I want that 900 lumen one as well now

I cycle almost entirely on unlit country lanes and I can add some advice re: what to do with lights

Eseential to have two lights (min) front and rear. Have the front one steady with both lights - this will make oncoming traffic pause briefly (not being sure what's coming towards them) and THAT makes people think. That brief moment of consideration has meant that so many cars give me more room at night it's a really noticeable difference

I have a Catete LD610 and LD1100 at the back of the bike - the 610 on flash and vertically mounted on the seat post - the 1100 with both rows on steady. The flashing light at the rear tells cars it's a bike in front, so it's informative for them.

Oh, have one front light pointing almost directly at the road in front of you, and the other pooling further down - you get the best cover this way,

I've heard good things about the P7 flashlight for night mtb rides, so I presume it would be perfectly adequate for riding on unlit country lanes.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Led-Lenser-8407 ... 852&sr=8-1

Im sure they do a handlebar adaptor as well. And hello to a fellow Somersetian!

alfablue wrote:

Nickel wrote:

I've heard good things about the P7 flashlight for night mtb rides, so I presume it would be perfectly adequate for riding on unlit country lanes.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Led-Lenser-8407 ... 852&sr=8-1

Im sure they do a handlebar adaptor as well. And hello to a fellow Somersetian!

The P7 emitter that mtbers like is an LED producing maybe 500 lumens. The Led Lenser P7 torch does not have a P7 emitter, and in my view overpriced and underpowered (maybe 180 lumens), and probably gets a lot of sales because people mistakenly believe it has a P7 emitter.

Get an XPG 501b from BOB or Dealextreme for £13 and the relevant cells, charger and mount and for under £30 you will have a superb setup.

Read the MTB what lights thread

Ah, woops! Should have known my ignorance when it comes to lights would trip me up! I'll have to keep that in mind if i do start night riding and need decent lights.

Nickel wrote:

Ah, woops! Should have known my ignorance when it comes to lights would trip me up! I'll have to keep that in mind if i do start night riding and need decent lights.

I'm saying that this would do for unlit country lane commuting, not the LED Lenser P7.

I like my Lupine Betty - 1850 lumens (which can be lowered to 1100 or 700 at the flick of a switch) and a 3 hour burn time, utterly reliable and beautifully engineered. I figure good lighting is a safety imperative and am happy to spend the money to get the best I can. I ride a lot at nights and on unlit country lanes, and these lights are fabulous - worth the admittedly steep price tag.