Save a cyclist campaign

thanks for that I'd never realised there were laws in place to protect vulnerable road users, please god don't use that as your opening gambit with people that know what they are talking about or their cruel mocking laughter will haunt your dreams. Are you 16 and have you recently taken up cycling?

*takes sarcastic head off and tries again*

Nice idea and sentiment but maybe you should have had a wee look round particularly the road & commuting oriented bits of this site first. Invariably we are ambassadors for cycling and well aware of the law and its inadequate application.

there are any number of threads quoting and in some cases debating to very minute detail the laws and Police/CPS choices in their application and prosecution, you can see in the most recent current streams we have a grip on where to find the legislation (making it legal to ride side by side - cake stop) and deplore the boorish and ignorant cyclist (bloody cyclists - commuting chat) type that give the rest of us a bad name.

I don't mean to offend but this is the sort of thing my children come up with having just got totally into their latest fad and make the mistake of thinking that they are in some way unique in caring or have discovered some arcane secret that has bypassed the rest of humanity until now.

have a look at this link http://road.cc/node/30023 an ongoing issue right up your street, get onto him or onto your local MP and lobby him to support if you wish but don't expect much of a response & see the awful RAC defensive response to it, totally misrepresenting cyclists/cycling in a negative and prejudicial way.

That said, Cyclists aren't uniquely innocent, pure and altruistic road users, a lot of 'us' are complete dickheads who need just as much interest from campaigners like you to behave sensibly and fairly on the roads and censure from enforcement agencies as any mad motorist does. What are your views or Red Light Jumping (RLJing if you go looking on here) or riding on pavements?

I'm all for more awareness and would love to see just one of the many many many campaigns like this make even a scrap of difference but as you look into petitioning even further you'll find that numerically and commercially the motoring, petrol, haulage etc lobbies have far far more sway over government thinking and can dangle far more lucrative fiscal arguments and incentives in front of ministerial faces than can us humble cyclists

you'll also find that the even most affable and mild mannered of people outside of a ton and a half of airbagged and insulating armour can turn into frothy mouthed ranting loons behind a wheel and all the hashtags in the world won't make a single scrap of difference to something primevally hardwired into their brains.

I talk to people at work and socially about the 'dangers' of cycling and how they can help me and my fellow vulnerables out when they're around us in cars (careful when dooring, wider passing, wait that 20 seconds till the pinch point is past, don't beep just for the fun of it, dip their beams for us s well as other motor vehicles.......), I link to stuff on here, twitter and elsewhere and have even been known to stop and have a quiet word with someone if they've been particularly dangerous or stupid but frankly I'm going to concentrate my efforts of making myself as visible as possible and riding in a manner which I have found through many years of experience keeps me as safe as I can be and generally makes cars give me respect and road space in the way that a catchy t-shirt slogan and a twitter account don't.


the trouble is that campaigns like you and yours are ten a penny with zero influence and support, its like the diverse Judean rebel factions in the Life of Brian. if any of you really want to have any tangeable effect, you need to start talking to each other and joining forces into one big cohesive national campaigning unit, rather than coming on here like some messiah with a new mesage that we've all heard a thousand times before.

biblical references over.

SHOULDBEINBED
As your name suggests, you are a likely candidate to end up in bed after a collision with a motor vehicle. As far as I can see, no-one is throwing accusations and laws about, only a message regarding mutual respect. Assuming that common sense should prevail and not the blinkered attitude that you appear to have, the roads should be fairly used by everyone who wishes to use them by whatever means.
Why can't you try and respect someone else's views instead of picking a perfectly worthy cause to pieces. This campaign might even stop YOU being hit by a car or stop YOU from jumping a red light etc., just through it's message. So why not stop criticising and know a good thing when you see one.

On here too http://blog.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/2011/0 ... a-cyclist/

On here too http://blog.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/2011/0 ... a-cyclist/

Looks like there's at least some traction.

In a word - whatshouldbeinbedsaid.

You mean this three year old thread.
viewtopic.php?f=40021&t=12643691&start=40
Effective!

@PINARELLO001 Initially I suggest you get back on the medication before your brain melts down.
Then decide if youwant to change attitudes, or the law. As I understand it, it is already considered somewhat naughty to kill people.
If it's attitudes, then this sort of attitude -

pinarello001 wrote:

Answer the f****ng question 'cooldad', if you are not interested, then go play tiddlewinks..

is unlikely to do it.

A metaphor needs to be apparent to the reader. Think about it.
A question for you - do you still beat your wife?