Accident question - new cyclist

Did you signal your intentions well in advance, checking behind that you had reasonable and safe space to move? If you didn't, and possibly even if you did, drivers often underestimate the speed of cyclists and try to outrace them to get ahead in traffic. ALWAYS make your intentions clear when moving about in traffic, and NEVER take unnecessary risks where cars are concerned. It may be a slightly less exciting ride, you may be right, they may be wrong, but you can't win a fight with a lump of metal.

You may simply both have raced for the same spot at the same time without noticing each other. If that's so, it's simply six of one and half a dozen of the other, and a lesson learned for you. Sure, the bus driver should have kept a more respectable distance from you (many motorists don't consider your bike a proper vehicle, hence you become invisible), but possibly you should not have tried to race such a big motherlover to a small gap.

Once I had a coach right up my back passage on a busy town centre road, allowing me absolutely no gap, so I simply moved sideways instead, squishing myself up against the kerbside handrails to get out of his way and simply let him pass. Disappearing from the drivers view gave him a fright as he hadn't left himself space to react to any situation, but he still gave ME a mouthful of abuse, f'ing and blinding in front of a load of passengers, tsk.


EDIT: i just noticed your comment about undertaking, in which case if he deliberately tried to push you aside, then the answer is a lot simpler, he's a to55er! If you can recall the exact time, and the route number and coach company, then you should be able to report him.

If the bus undertook you was in the wrong ,it is illegal to undertake.

If you know the bus number and time the bus company will know who the driver was,worth making a formal complaint in my opinion.If they do not heed your complaint then you can always take it to the police,if the bus driver knocked you off and drove off again and did not report it that is an offense.

As for the driver giving you abuse ignore it, it a normal reaction to a situation where you are in the wrong whereby they try and shift blame of themselves by blaming the other party.

Check this guide put together by another cycling forum ...

http://www.cyclechat.net/index.php?app= ... ach_id=157.

Join the CTC,under £40 a year and you get 3rd party insurance and free legal advice as well as lots of useful stuff on their website.

http://www.ctc.org.uk/

cyberknight wrote:

If the bus undertook you was in the wrong ,it is illegal to undertake.

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Actually this is a common misconception. There is no general offence of undertaking at all in England and Wales

I always was under the impression that it was an offence to undertake, but I had cause to do some investigation in this matter and found out it is not an offence.

The Police National Legal Database confirms this is indeed the position. It has been the subject of judicial scrutiny ( I cannot recall the case name, but If people want the case, I will be able to provide it next week as I have the details at work)

Fair enough i was only going by a google search :shock:

pasted from driving wiki, legal status by country..

Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences.

If he did knock the OP off then and drove off without reporting it ( which is what i meant) it is an offense afaik.

Anyway the good days far outweigh the bad ones, i ahve only been cycling 2 years as a commuter and touch wood i have never been hit yet.
Bear with it , learn to try and read other intentions,assert your right to be on the road whilst keeping yourself safe and most of all ...

ENJOY IT !!

I would never encourage anyone to deliberately damage another persons vehicle. Road rage against cyclists isn't exactly uncommon; neither is motorists trying to knock cyclists off their bike for the sheer enjoyment of it. Imagine angering one of this type of driver, you may be lucky keeping your life.

Interesting article cyberknight, I'll have to have a good look at that myself!

You know the thing you are weak on - signalling - you really need to sort this and if possible, always make eye contact with the driver

Agreed, very important aspects of cycling safety, clear signaling and eye contact, both made well in advance of any manoeuvre. As a cyclist you should be cautious but confident, which seems contradictory but you soon get the hang of it; try to stay within the law; assume motorists are morons, whether well meaning ones or otherwise and that mean's you'll often have to do their thinking for them; dont be afraid to claim your roadspace ( as long as it's safe to do so); be polite and show appreciation to motorists who show good manners.

pretty much all the advice above is right depending on the circumstances at the time. Be confident but always cautious, assume they havent seen you. Wear bright clothing make yourself as visible as possible. Get some sort of noise as well like a VLoud bell,air horn or my favourite a loud whistle. Never undertake a large vehicle at lights or junctions or at anytime really. If Im going to overtake only if i consider it safe to do so i always do it on the outside and give them a blast on the whistle as i come along side.. If im at lights ill always look back to get eye contact and if im still not sure i give them a wave. 8)