Route through Alps?

Rhone valley...sling a left to gap... briancon... over the montgenevre pass on the route italia


or go into germany /austria/ italy

fredrichshaven.. dombirn austria /nenzing valley to landeck/prutz/nauders/ over the pass into italy malles venosta...bolzano (can't remember the pass name)



both have only one major climb from memory (caveat)

the germany route is pretty busy traffic wise but very direct if you want to get across the alps into Italy "in a rush"

I came back that way in 1991 in a hurry.. crossed the Rhine near strasbourg...

seems like a 100 years ago.

Briancon way still fairly busy traffic wise but prettier I think...

where are you aiming for in Italy?

The Great St Bernard is doable. From Lausanne round the lake and up the Rhone valley to Martigny and start climbing. If you are feeling tired you can always get a bus through the tunnel after Bourg St Pierre instead of going over the pass.

2400m and only really snow free from June to September (no guarantees).

culverwood wrote:

The Great St Bernard is doable. From Lausanne round the lake and up the Rhone valley to Martigny and start climbing. If you are feeling tired you can always get a bus through the tunnel after Bourg St Pierre instead of going over the pass.

2400m and only really snow free from June to September (no guarantees).

then that's probably the route he wants if he going Lausanne..

the advantage of Briancon is the Montgenevre is only a cat 2/1ish compared to dragging himself over the Saint Bernard... but its only one hill

snow allowing

mididoctors wrote:

pneumatic wrote:

From Martigny, I'd be tempted to take the Forclaz over to Chamonix. We drove it in the other direction a few weeks ago and it is not outrageous gradient-wise and has plenty of good scenery (not least the Mont Blanc).

Depends where you are going afterwards, though, as getting out of Chamonix to the South without using the flyover may be a bit tricky.

I think the intention (could be wrong) is to get into italy.. I dont think you can use the tunnel?

Oh, well in that case, don't go by Chamonix because you can't take the tunnel and the next crossing to Italy is the Petit St Bernard about three or four stiff TDF cols later!

Clum84 wrote:

Thanks for the replies. The suggestion of martigny to bourg st pierre seems to suit my plans as i'll be heading down to turin afterwards so dont want to head as far east as germany or austria. Does the bus leave from bourg st pierre and am i assume its ok to travel with a bike? this could be a good option to have as i'll be travelling with only light camping gear which might not be the best if it decides to start snowing!

the snow part of the journey will either not exist at all or block your way...

the climb over the grand st bernard will be over in a few hours.. even if it "snows" while your up there you will be able to walk out back the way you came (or forwards?)

it is usual for signs to be up if alpine passes are blocked

If you are intending to catch the bus, rather than go over the top of the GSB, this can be done at Orsieres or if you want to go as far as possible without going into the tunnel at Bourg St Pierre. It is OK to take your bike on the bus.

As mididoctors says it will be pretty obvious, weather wise, whether you want to attempt the pass by the time you get to Bourg St Pierre by then you have completed 80% of the climb with only the short sharp ascent on the old road over the top.