Time / Look advise

One thing spring to mind Sean, and maybe i'm a cynic, but..
I fail to see how the BRAND of pedals can influence sore knees..surely thats the (probably poor )setup of the pedals or cleats, not the brand. Set up ANY brand of pedals/ cleats poorly...and you will probably get sore knees.

It doesnt answer youre long term problem, but i'm sure if i had 6 months off the bike...my knees would suffer too.

That said...if someone can tell me (and you hopefully) that Time pedals are designed better...fair enough....but i'm always suspicious of peoples 'opinions'. Unfortunately..'opinions' are'nt very scientific.[:D]

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Chill out, fer Christsakes....

I too swapped from Look to Time pedals a few years back, not for any medical reason, just because I got fed up with look cleats wearing out so quickly and also being a bit slippery when walking. Time cleats last much longer, you don't slip when walking and are also easier too walk in. I wouldn't change back.

Paul

I could not agree more with GBB. Having had 6 months off I wonder if you need to do some gym work or other training on thighs/hamstrings etc?

Time may have theoretical advantages but are only going to fix your problem if your current set up is wrong in a way that cannot be fixed by the usual suspects (seat height, cleat position etc). I'd want to know what exactly he thinks is wrong with your current foot position/movement. I'd also systematically tweak these simpler and cheaper set up issues.

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One thing spring to mind Sean, and maybe i'm a cynic, but..
<b>I fail to see how the BRAND of pedals can influence sore knees..surely thats the (probably poor )setup of the pedals or cleats, not the brand.</b> Set up ANY brand of pedals/ cleats poorly...and you will probably get sore knees.

It doesnt answer youre long term problem, but i'm sure if i had 6

months off the bike...my knees would suffer too.

That said...if someone can tell me (and you hopefully) that Time pedals are designed better...fair enough....but i'm always suspicious of peoples 'opinions'. Unfortunately..'opinions' are'nt very scientific.[:D]

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Chill out, fer Christsakes....
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Ideally yes, practically NO !

<font color="red">The deal with Time stuff is that you get the sideways WITH angular too: no other set-up offers this. Ok you can pres-set the amount of leeway form the crank cleat ration on some etc..but to have free sideways movement is king !</font id="red">

Your foot finds its own place instead of having to guess where it needs to go [;)]

And I'll keep saying this, for long time to come as I see many riders who would seriously benefit from them (<font color="red">TIME</font id="red">) END OF STORY!

[;)] 'tuono nel mio cuore...[:)]
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Sounds reasonable to me, so i bow to your superior knowledge then Yenrod [8D]. I am always open to genuine knowledge....rather than 'opinion'.
I may try Time pedals next...but then, <i><b>why bother in my case...i have no problem with Looks</i></b>.

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GBB - When you walk down road - just imagine you couldn't move your feet sideways...

Ok its a bit far fetched or pedantic but sideways and angular makes a hell of lot of sense to me.

Funny thing is if I recall correctly J.Beyl designed both pedal systems.

http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/featur ... dals.shtml

I've rode spd pedals and I knew that the foot was pretty regid on that platform.

A long time back a friend had these:

http://www.bikepro.com/arch_products/pe ... pe_mag.jpg

They had a platform described by my mate as an: aircraft carrier [:D]

He ended up on looks.

I ended up doing a deal with him for them.

As much as where your saddle is on the bike + crank length + handle height + reach + width etc...

The pedals are the icing on the cake and it simply makes a whole lot of sense to have free movement in this area.


[;)] 'tuono nel mio cuore...[:)]

Plenty of float in Looks for most folks, although Time offers lateral float I understand. It may be that your ride on platform pedals just allowed your feet to naturally move in to their preferred pedalling position (eg fore/aft, angle, in/out, plus any twisting throughout the stroke). Have you set up your existing pedals to duplicate exactly this position?

It could be that you have other unidentified positional requirements, such as unequal length legs (shim cleats), feet flat or angled out (angled shims), more shoe support needed (custom footbed), lack of flexibility/strength in certain muscles/tendons (stretching/strengthening programme). All this is best investigated by specialists though, could give difficulties if attempted at home without proper guidance. Cyclefit's fitting service covers this, but is expensive, so try out the free stuff like re-examining current position first.

EDIT: Just re-read original post - the physio says the knee pain originates in the lower back - how is changing the pedals going to address this? Are your hips rocking? (Saddle too high). Weak back/core muscles not supporting pedal stroke? (Pilates/yoga). Bars too low?