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Pro Tour Pundit '07

afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
edited January 2008 in Pro race
Just thought I'd start a new thread for the second season of PTP. Can anyone beat mangaman, our reigning champion?

If you didn't play last year, it's very easy. At the botton of this post is a list of the races included in the competition - before each race look out for a new thread, usually titled "Race Name - Pro Tour Pundit" or something similar.

Simply use your expert cycling knowledge and pick a winner for each race! If it's a single-day race, you only need to pick one rider, but if it's a stage-race, you need to pick someone for the overall classification, but you can earn extra points by predicting the winner of each stage too.

It's that simple, but it's also good fun and adds a bit of interest when your watching the races on telly!

The scoring system:
GC     | TdF  | Vuelta/Giro | Majors |  Minors
----------------------------------------------
 1     | 100  |     85      |   50   |   40
 2     |  75  |     65      |   40   |   30
 3     |  60  |     50      |   35   |   25
 4     |  55  |     45      |   30   |   20
 5     |  50  |     40      |   25   |   15
 6     |  45  |     35      |   20   |   11
 7     |  40  |     30      |   15   |    7
 8     |  35  |     26      |   10   |    5
 9     |  30  |     22      |    5   |    3
10     |  25  |     19      |    2   |    1
11     |  20  |     16      |        |
12     |  15  |     13      |	     |    
13     |  12  |     11      |	     |    
14     |  10  |      9      |        | 
15     |   8  |      7      |        | 
16     |   6  |      5      |        | 
17     |   5  |      4      |        | 
18     |   4  |      3      |        | 
19     |   3  |      2      |        | 
20     |   2  |      1      |        |   

Stages, where applicable:

Stages | TdF  | Vuelta/Giro | Majors |  Minors
----------------------------------------------
 1     |  10  |      8      |    3   |   n/a
 2     |   5  |      4      |    2   |   n/a
 3     |   3  |      2      |    1   |   n/a
MAJORS = <font color="red">RED</font id="red"> | MINORS = <font color="blue">BLUE</font id="blue">
<font color="red">
MAR 11-18 - PARIS-NICE
    14-20 - TIRRENO-ADRIATICO
       24 - MILANO-SAN REMO
APR    08 - TOUR OF FLANDERS
    09-14 - VUELTA AL PAIS-VASCO</font id="red">
<font color="blue">       11 - GENT-WEVELGEM</font id="blue">
<font color="red">       15 - PARIS-ROUBAIX</font id="red">
<font color="blue">       22 - AMSTEL GOLD RACE
       25 - LA FLECHE WALLONE</font id="blue">
<font color="red">       29 - LIEGE-BASTOGNE-LIEGE
MAY 01-06 - TOUR DE ROMANDIE</font id="red">
    12-03 - GIRO D'ITALIA
<font color="red">    21-27 - VOLTA A CATALUNYA
JUN 10-17 - DAUPHINE LIBERE
    16-24 - TOUR DE SUISSE</font id="red">
<font color="blue">       24 - EINDHOVEN TTT</font id="blue">
JUL 07-29 - TOUR DE FRANCE
<font color="blue">AUG    04 - CLASICA SAN SEBASTIAN</font id="blue">
<font color="red">    10-18 - DEUTSCHLAND TOUR</font id="red">
<font color="blue">       19 - VATTENFALL CYCLASSICS</font id="blue">
<font color="red">    22-29 - ENECO TOUR</font id="red">
SEP 01-23 - VUELTA A ESPANA
<font color="blue">       02 - GP OUEST FRANCE-PLOUAY</font id="blue">
<font color="red">    09-15 - TOUR DE POLOGNE</font id="red">
<font color="blue">OCT    07 - ZURI-METZGETE</font id="blue">
<font color="red">       14 - PARIS-TOURS
      20 - GIRO DI LOMBARDIA</font id="red">

Last year's top 10:
 1. mangaman        - 817
 2. Dave_1          - 769
 3. yace            - 737
 4. iainf72         - 692
 5. Timoid          - 668
 6. andrewgturnbull - 665
 7. MarkM           - 621
 8. RichN95         - 568
 9. afx237vi        - 561
10. GroupOfOne      - 549
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  • ...and it is very addictive! [:)]
  • Just a quick question

    In Stage races how long into an individual stage can we pick a winner. Can we pick a winner during the stage, say if there is a breakaway and it doesn't look like they are going to get caught? Or do you have to pick before the stage has started?
  • I would say you must pick your winner before coverage starts.
  • Yeah, I think we must pick our winner before the start of a stage...

    ________Our behaviour is a function of our experience.
  • Yes, the pick must be made prior to the start. I don't think there would be too much grumbling if there was a one-off *last minute*, as in just after the off, pick when the poster was genuine but certainly not waiting until a break formed - that's part of the fun, trying to guess who might get into a breakaway or who looks as if they my want to stir it up a bit. You'd be as well no bothering if you made a choice like that - kind of like waiting to see how many horses are left at the last fence at the Grand National before placing your bet or deciding to say at half time in a football match that the team leading 5-0 will win.
  • *bump*

    Dear Moderator.

    Can you make this thread a sticky - not the Paris-Nice one?

    Thanks in advance, Andy

    http://www.stirlingtri.co.uk
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    <h2>Overall scores following Paris-Nice</h2>
            OVERALL SCORES
    ----------------------
    Keith Oates:        59
    Dave_1:             54
    redbicycle:         52
    yace:               50
    afx237vi:           50
    Timoid:             41
    mangaman:           30
    Greggyr:            19
    DeanMoriarty:       14
    skut:               13
    tombt:              13
    Stephen Sorba:      12
    andyp:              11
    GroupOfOne:         10
    shazzz:             10
    LangerDan           10
    Top_Bhoy:           10
    Hassan:             10
    TonyW43:            10
    andrewgturnbull:    10
    laurence:            8
    Nicolo               6
    Mr Bumble:           5
    iainf72:             5
    Calvjones:           3
    rideragsy:           3
    ContrelaMontre:      2
    weyayeman:           1
    RichN95:             1
    Emax                 0
    illuminated_523:     0
    jdfyfe:              0
    guv001:              0
    miffed:              0
    Ridgerider:          0
    

    View a breakdown of the stage scores in the Paris-Nice PTP thread.
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    <h2>Overall scores following Tirreno-Adriatico</h2>
            OVERALL SCORES
    ----------------------
    Keith Oates:        59
    ContrelaMontre:     58
    Dave_1:             55
    redbicycle:         52
    afx237vi:           52
    yace:               50
    GroupOfOne:         42
    Timoid:             41
    mangaman:           30
    Greggyr:            19
    DeanMoriarty:       16
    skut:               15
    Stephen Sorba:      14
    Top_Bhoy:           13
    andrewgturnbull:    13
    tombt:              13
    andyp:              13
    shazzz:             12
    LangerDan           12
    Hassan:             10
    TonyW43:            10
    laurence:            8
    Nicolo               7
    Mr Bumble:           5
    iainf72:             5
    RichN95:             5
    jdfyfe:              4
    Calvjones:           4
    rideragsy:           3
    weyayeman:           1
    Emax                 1
    miffed:              1
    Ridgerider:          1
    illuminated_523:     0
    guv001:              0
    Richard Ramirez:     0
    

    View a breakdown of the stage scores in the Tirreno-Adriatico PTP thread.
  • ContrelaMontreContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by afx237vi</i>

    <h2>Overall scores following Tirreno-Adriatico</h2>

    [code]
    OVERALL SCORES
    Keith Oates: 59
    ContrelaMontre: 58
    Dave_1: 55

    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    Stop the league I wanna get off!!

    Only joking! I'm sure I can keep my performance up [8)]! Shucks I'm going to start feeling pressure to perform![:I]

    Well, for the time being, the top 3 feels good, and I'm going to try and stay there all season![8D][8D][8D]

    Herd of gnus?

    No! What's the news?

    Rule No.10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,521
    For some of us these early races are only about finding our legs. We're peaking for the classics and the Grand Tours.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    <h2>Overall scores following Milan-San Remo</h2>
    Keith Oates retains the lead. Keith, CLM and myself are the early pace-setters with two 1st place picks in the opening three events. But don't worry if you're a little behind or haven't played yet - it's a long ol' season, and there's no way my form can hold for much longer!
            OVERALL SCORES
    ----------------------
    Keith Oates:       109
    ContrelaMontre:    108
    afx237vi:          102
    Timoid:             91
    mangaman:           65
    skut:               65
    andyp:              63
    LangerDan           62
    Dave_1:             55
    jdfyfe:             54
    redbicycle:         52
    yace:               50
    shazzz:             47
    laurence:           43
    GroupOfOne:         42
    Mr Bumble:          40
    andrewgturnbull:    38
    miffed:             36
    guv001:             35
    psychiatricblues:   35
    RichN95:            30
    Greggyr:            19
    DeanMoriarty:       16
    Stephen Sorba:      14
    Top_Bhoy:           13
    tombt:              13
    Hassan:             10
    TonyW43:            10
    Richard Ramirez:    10
    cooper.michael1:    10
    Nicolo:              7
    iainf72:             5
    Calvjones:           4
    rideragsy:           3
    weyayeman:           1
    Emax:                1
    Ridgerider:          1
    illuminated_523:     0
    brainstemdowry:      0
    Ashley_R:            0
    007stucumber:        0
    
    Next race: April 8th, Tour of Flanders!
  • I had a beer with the good Keith Oates here in Hong Kong on Friday night and he knows his stuff when it comes to picking bike race winners! Well done Keith!

    Freire is gaining fairly major status now..I'd put him at or above any current rider now

    ________Our behaviour is a function of our experience.
  • <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dave_1</i>

    I had a beer with the good Keith Oates here in Hong Kong on Friday night and he knows his stuff when it comes to picking bike race winners! Well done Keith!

    Freire is gaining fairly major status now..I'd put him at or above any current rider now

    ________Our behaviour is a function of our experience.
    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    I have a similar deep wellspring of talent as Oscar, but applicable to PTP. Unfortunately I am suffering with a early season boil in a sensitive place that is affecting my picks.

    Did you get planning permission for that sense of humour bypass?
  • ContrelaMontreContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Calvjones</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dave_1</i>

    I had a beer with the good Keith Oates here in Hong Kong on Friday night and he knows his stuff when it comes to picking bike race winners! Well done Keith!

    Freire is gaining fairly major status now..I'd put him at or above any current rider now

    ________Our behaviour is a function of our experience.
    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    I have a similar deep wellspring of talent as Oscar, but applicable to PTP. Unfortunately I am suffering with a early season boil in a sensitive place that is affecting my picks.

    Did you get planning permission for that sense of humour bypass?

    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    Sorry to hear of your affliction - it certainly explains your <s>extremely diabolical </s>slightly disappointing start to the season![;)]

    Herd of gnus?

    No! What's the news?

    <font size="1">WANTED: rear track wheel clincher</font id="size1">

    Rule No.10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster
  • <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ContrelaMontre</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Calvjones</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dave_1</i>

    I had a beer with the good Keith Oates here in Hong Kong on Friday night and he knows his stuff when it comes to picking bike race winners! Well done Keith!

    Freire is gaining fairly major status now..I'd put him at or above any current rider now

    ________Our behaviour is a function of our experience.
    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    I have a similar deep wellspring of talent as Oscar, but applicable to PTP. Unfortunately I am suffering with a early season boil in a sensitive place that is affecting my picks.

    Did you get planning permission for that sense of humour bypass?

    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    Sorry to hear of your affliction - it certainly explains your <s>extremely diabolical </s>slightly disappointing start to the season![;)]

    Herd of gnus?

    No! What's the news?

    <font size="1">WANTED: rear track wheel clincher</font id="size1">
    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    Remember Lance's sandbagging at the bottom of the Alpe in 2001 just before this:-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7THIhZEP4QM

    ?
    Not so cocky now, eh!?[:D]

    Did you get planning permission for that sense of humour bypass?
  • ContrelaMontreContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    Quaking

    Herd of gnus?

    No! What's the news?

    <font size="1">WANTED: rear track wheel clincher</font id="size1">

    Rule No.10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Not wishing to blow my own trumpet or anything... but WOOHOO! The first time I have ever donned to coveted PTP maillot...

    <h2>Overall scores following the Ronde van Vlaanderen:</h2>
            OVERALL SCORES
    ----------------------
    afx237vi:          152
    skut:              115
    Keith Oates:       109
    ContrelaMontre:    108
    GroupOfOne:         92
    Timoid:             91
    mangaman:           65
    andyp:              63
    LangerDan           62
    Dave_1:             55
    Noodley:            54
    redbicycle:         52
    yace:               50
    ricadus:            50
    shazzz:             47
    laurence:           43
    Mr Bumble:          40
    andrewgturnbull:    38
    miffed:             36
    guv001:             35
    psychiatricblues:   35
    MontyDog:           35
    RichN95:            30
    Greggyr:            19
    DeanMoriarty:       16
    Stephen Sorba:      14
    Top_Bhoy:           13
    tombt:              13
    Hassan:             10
    TonyW43:            10
    Richard Ramirez:    10
    cooper.michael1:    10
    Nicolo:              7
    iainf72:             5
    Calvjones:           4
    rideragsy:           3
    weyayeman:           1
    Emax:                1
    Ridgerider:          1
    

    (Edited for spelling)
  • Hooray!![:D][:p]
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Ridgerider was the only person to score in G-W, moving him off the basement up into mid-table...

    <h2>Overall scores following Gent-Wevelgem:</h2>
            OVERALL SCORES
    ----------------------
    afx237vi:          152
    skut:              115
    Keith Oates:       109
    ContrelaMontre:    108
    GroupOfOne:         92
    Timoid:             91
    mangaman:           65
    andyp:              63
    LangerDan           62
    Dave_1:             55
    Noodley:            54
    redbicycle:         52
    yace:               50
    ricadus:            50
    shazzz:             47
    laurence:           43
    Ridgerider:         41
    Mr Bumble:          40
    andrewgturnbull:    38
    miffed:             36
    guv001:             35
    psychiatricblues:   35
    MontyDog:           35
    RichN95:            30
    Greggyr:            19
    DeanMoriarty:       16
    Stephen Sorba:      14
    Top_Bhoy:           13
    tombt:              13
    Hassan:             10
    TonyW43:            10
    Richard Ramirez:    10
    cooper.michael1:    10
    Nicolo:              7
    iainf72:             5
    Calvjones:           4
    rideragsy:           3
    weyayeman:           1
    Emax:                1
    
  • ridgeriderridgerider Posts: 2,820
    ...beautiful mid table!

    <font size="1"><font color="blue">Half man</font id="blue">, <i><font color="green"> Half bike</font id="green"></i></font id="size1">
    Half man, Half bike...and now more familiar with the work of Prostate Cancer UK
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    <h2>Overall scores following the Vuelta al Pais Vasco:</h2>
            OVERALL SCORES
    ----------------------
    afx237vi:          154
    Keith Oates:       134
    skut:              117
    Timoid:            116
    ContrelaMontre:    108
    andyp:              99
    GroupOfOne:         96
    Noodley:            93
    mangaman:           91
    Dave_1:             82
    laurence:           80
    yace:               75
    andrewgturnbull:    74
    shazzz:             72
    LangerDan           62
    guv001:             60
    RichN95:            60
    redbicycle:         52
    ricadus:            50
    Ridgerider:         41
    Mr Bumble:          40
    Stephen Sorba:      40
    miffed:             36
    psychiatricblues:   35
    MontyDog:           35
    weyayeman:          31
    Anton de Lacey:     30
    iainf72:            30
    Greggyr:            19
    DeanMoriarty:       19
    Top_Bhoy:           13
    tombt:              13
    Hassan:             10
    TonyW43:            10
    Richard Ramirez:    10
    cooper.michael1:    10
    Nicolo:              7
    Calvjones:           7
    rideragsy:           3
    Emax:                1
    
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    <h2>Overall scores after Paris-Roubaix</h2>
            OVERALL SCORES
    ----------------------
    afx237vi:          154
    andyp:             139
    Keith Oates:       134
    ContrelaMontre:    123
    laurence:          120
    skut:              117
    Timoid:            116
    GroupOfOne:         96
    Noodley:            93
    mangaman:           91
    Dave_1:             82
    yace:               75
    andrewgturnbull:    74
    shazzz:             72
    LangerDan           62
    guv001:             60
    RichN95:            60
    miffed:             56
    Ridgerider:         56
    redbicycle:         52
    iainf72:            50
    ricadus:            50
    Croxted Avenger:    40
    Mr Bumble:          40
    Stephen Sorba:      40
    psychiatricblues:   35
    MontyDog:           35
    weyayeman:          31
    Anton de Lacey:     30
    Greggyr:            19
    DeanMoriarty:       19
    hot rod:            15
    Gragi:              15
    Top_Bhoy:           13
    tombt:              13
    Hassan:             10
    TonyW43:            10
    Richard Ramirez:    10
    cooper.michael1:    10
    Nicolo:              7
    Calvjones:           7
    rideragsy:           3
    Emax:                1
    
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Ooh, it's tight at the top now!

    <h2>Overall scores after the Amstel Gold Race</h2>
           OVERALL SCORES
    ----------------------
    afx237vi:          154
    andyp:             154
    Keith Oates:       145
    skut:              128
    Timoid:            127
    laurence:          125
    ContrelaMontre:    123
    GroupOfOne:        111
    Noodley:            98
    Dave_1:             97
    mangaman:           91
    shazzz:             87
    andrewgturnbull:    79
    LangerDan           77
    yace:               75
    RichN95:            75
    iainf72:            75
    guv001:             67
    miffed:             67
    Ridgerider:         56
    redbicycle:         52
    Mr Bumble:          51
    ricadus:            50
    Stephen Sorba:      47
    Greggyr:            44
    Croxted Avenger:    40
    Anton de Lacey:     35
    psychiatricblues:   35
    MontyDog:           35
    weyayeman:          31
    Gragi:              30
    DeanMoriarty:       20
    hot rod:            22
    Nicolo:             22
    Top_Bhoy:           13
    tombt:              13
    vermooten:          11
    Hassan:             10
    TonyW43:            10
    Richard Ramirez:    10
    cooper.michael1:    10
    Calvjones:           8
    Cheshire_Cat:        5
    millar time:         5
    rideragsy:           3
    Emax:                1
    mouse:               1
    
  • ContrelaMontreContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    uh-oh.

    ContrelaMontre is not happy with that!

    [:(][xx(][V]

    Herd of gnus?

    No! What's the news?

    <font size="1">WANTED: rear track wheel clincher</font id="size1">

    Rule No.10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster
  • If only I hadn't been injured for RVV and PR

    TdG
  • If only I was any good at this[:(][:(][:(][:(]

    Did you get planning permission for that sense of humour bypass?
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Maximum points in the Fleche, Calv, so stick in there!

    <h2>Overall scores after la Fleche Wallone:</h2>
           OVERALL SCORES
    ----------------------
    afx237vi:          179
    Keith Oates:       175
    Timoid:            157
    andyp:             154
    skut:              153
    Dave_1:            127
    shazzz:            127
    GroupOfOne:        126
    laurence:          125
    ContrelaMontre:    123
    Noodley:           123
    andrewgturnbull:   119
    LangerDan          107
    guv001:             97
    miffed:             97
    mangaman:           91
    Croxted Avenger:    80
    yace:               75
    RichN95:            75
    iainf72:            75
    Stephen Sorba:      62
    Ridgerider:         56
    Gragi:              55
    redbicycle:         52
    Mr Bumble:          51
    ricadus:            50
    Calvjones:          48
    Greggyr:            44
    graham56:           40
    Anton de Lacey:     35
    psychiatricblues:   35
    MontyDog:           35
    weyayeman:          31
    DeanMoriarty:       27
    hot rod:            22
    Nicolo:             22
    millar time:        20
    andyr:              15
    Top_Bhoy:           13
    tombt:              13
    vermooten:          11
    Hassan:             10
    TonyW43:            10
    Richard Ramirez:    10
    cooper.michael1:    10
    cardinal guzman:     7
    Cheshire_Cat:        5
    rideragsy:           3
    Emax:                1
    mouse:               1
    
  • NoodleyNoodley Posts: 1,725
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by afx237vi</i>

    ContrelaMontre: 123
    Noodley: 123

    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    Bananarama!! [:D]

    How did you manage to let me catch you up?! [;)]...it'll never last
  • ContrelaMontreContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Noodley</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by afx237vi</i>

    ContrelaMontre: 123
    Noodley: 123

    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    Bananarama!! [:D]

    How did you manage to let me catch you up?! [;)]...it'll never last
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    I reckon we might be close all year. Shall we have a prize for the winner of our personal competition?

    I give you the pink banana guard - http://tinyurl.com/2qqmma - the prize!!

    What do you reckon noodley? Do we have a bet?

    Herd of gnus?

    No! What's the news?

    <font size="1">WANTED: rear track wheel clincher</font id="size1">

    Rule No.10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster
  • NoodleyNoodley Posts: 1,725
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ContrelaMontre</i>
    What do you reckon noodley? Do we have a bet?

    Herd of gnus?

    No! What's the news?

    <font size="1">WANTED: rear track wheel clincher</font id="size1">
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    Ohh you're a right competitive censored [;)] Go on then, how can I resist the lure of a pink banana holder as a prize [:)]

    (I *may* be choosing the same rider(s) as you for L-B-L but then again maybe not...)
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