New bike for flat Essex and The Alps - your thoughts please

Currently looking to go disc brake bike. Not necessary for Essex but better for The Alps.

Looking at Cannondale Supersix Evo disc Ultegra or Canyon Ultimate CF SLX.

I want to go as light weight as possible. What are your thoughts, which would you go for?

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 74,785
    Hi Paul,

    Honestly, they're both excellent bikes, and the difference between them in terms of wright is no more than a big dump in the toilets or a bit of extra water in your bottle, so I wouldn't focus too much on that.

    Others have much better experience than me but I understand there are some fairly long waiting times to receive Canyons.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,558
    My thoughts.
    You will be grateful for selecting the one with the easiest gearing. Avoid 12 speed if possible as chains & cassettes are expensive. Get the one with the prettiest paint job.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • Gearing isn’t really a problem. Front 34 or 36 is fine with a 11-28 cassette.

    Yep the difference in weight is negligible, but if the bike is as low as possible I can worry less about the fat I’m carrying.

    Paint job wise neither are fantastic, down the line might be a respray.

    I’d stick with 11 speed. Just a little concerned with the Cannondale head tube problem.
  • SuperSix would be my choice! Fab for the flats, responsive on climbs and fantastic for descending too. My personal favourite to take to the Alps…. and if I had to go down to having just 1 bike this would be the keeper!
  • super_davo
    super_davo Posts: 1,195
    Supersix evo is a great bike but you need to find someone with last years model on sale because £4k is a pretty bonkers price for the lower grade carbon with mechanical ultegra. I was looking at that bike 18 months ago and the hi mod was less than the ballistec version today, and with a higher spec. OK everything has gone up in price, but that takes the mick.
  • jdee84
    jdee84 Posts: 287
    I bought an ultegra rim brake 2016 hi mod super six in spring 2016 the rrp was 3000, the equivalent bike now only comes with disc brakes and the 2022 ultegra disc hi mod has an rrp of 5300. Alright it's six years but that's some price increase and those prices were set before any of the current cost of living issues came up.

    What's the cannondale head tube problem?
  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,520
    Canyons are great but you have to be super quick or lucky to bag one that’s in stock or for delivery in the not too distant future.
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  • jdee84 said:

    What's the cannondale head tube problem?

    It’s to do with a rotational limiter that was manufactured into the fork that was supposed to work inside the head tube. It caused problems. From info I have picked up online I believe it has been rectified in the 2021 model and onwards.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9u4_Ep8JbY8&feature=youtu.be

  • Supersix evo is a great bike but you need to find someone with last years model on sale because £4k is a pretty bonkers price for the lower grade carbon with mechanical ultegra.

    I’ve been looking at the 2022 standard S6 Evo Ultegra in 54cm for £3389 from wheelbase.

    Some used models for sale on usual places but most tend to be pre 2021 models.

    Did you get a new bike 18 months ago, and if so what?


  • super_davo
    super_davo Posts: 1,195

    Supersix evo is a great bike but you need to find someone with last years model on sale because £4k is a pretty bonkers price for the lower grade carbon with mechanical ultegra.

    I’ve been looking at the 2022 standard S6 Evo Ultegra in 54cm for £3389 from wheelbase.

    Some used models for sale on usual places but most tend to be pre 2021 models.

    Did you get a new bike 18 months ago, and if so what?


    I am a fellow Essex resident that likes climbing so very similar dilemna to you... but in the end I went the other way and focussed on the "Essex / Aero" brief first. I went for an Orro Venturi Ultegra Di2. With a Yeoleo carbon one piece bar/stem and Hunt UD carbon wheels its about 7.5kg all in. Light enough for the occasional peaks / Mallorca trip, aero enough for my day to day riding.
  • "very similar dilemna to you..."

    Excellent new word!

    I think dilemna is a kind of free-floating duckweed with a difficult decision to make :)
  • paul.weborders
    paul.weborders Posts: 14
    edited September 2022
    I am a fellow Essex resident that likes climbing so very similar dilemna to you... but in the end I went the other way and focussed on the "Essex / Aero" brief first. I went for an Orro Venturi Ultegra Di2. With a Yeoleo carbon one piece bar/stem and Hunt UD carbon wheels its about 7.5kg all in. Light enough for the occasional peaks / Mallorca trip, aero enough for my day to day riding.

    Currently riding an 11yr old Pinarello rim brake at 7.8kg, which I love. Alloy climbing wheels coming to the end of life and still running ultegra 10 speed.

    I thought about a Cannondale System Six for Essex, but that’s not ideal for the Alps.
    Interesting, I never thought of Orro. May have to research them.


  • paul.weborders
    paul.weborders Posts: 14
    edited September 2022
    I’m currently riding my 11yr old Pinarello with Ultegra 10 speed. Climbing wheels coming to end of life. 7.8kg all in.

    I thought about the Cannondale System Six for Essex / Aero but it’s not ideal for the Alps.

    I’d never considered Orro, may have to take a look at them. Cheers.

  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,772
    edited September 2022
    Have you considered the 2022 Scott Foil, or even the upcoming 2023 model?

    Great reviews from what I have seen, insanely comfy ride, and they climb incredibly well.
    Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
    Marin Palisades Trail 91 and 06
    Scott CR1 SL 12
    Cannondale Synapse Adventure 15 & 16 Di2
    Scott Foil 18
  • paul.weborders
    paul.weborders Posts: 14
    edited September 2022
    No I hadn’t considered Scott’s at all. Just looked at bikeradar review on Scott Foil 10, Only 3.5 stars for £6000. compared to Supersix evo 5 stars.

    Want to stick with Ultegra, I don’t like SRAM.