Shimano/SRAM 11 speed compatibility

ugo.santalucia
ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
in Road buying advice
I know 10 speed was cross compatible, is this still the case for 11 speed? Or in other words, having a Shimano 11sp at the moment, could I just buy a second hand pair of 11 speed Etap levers + Etap rear derailleur (I am on 1x) and it would all magically work?
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  • whyamihere
    whyamihere Posts: 7,712
    Yep.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Even cheaper just buy the blippers and use SS brake levers.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    Excellent!
    I was looking at the 12 speed stuff, but it looks like a complete nightmare... 2 different types of freehub, limited choice of very expensive cassettes... if I can retain the rest of the drivetrain, that would be more doable. I like the simplicity of ETap (never tried it though)
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    shirley_basso said:

    Even cheaper just buy the blippers and use SS brake levers.

    Not sure about those things... I'll see if I can find a right shifter only... plenty of left only on Ebay... I guess the right are more in demand
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  • whyamihere
    whyamihere Posts: 7,712
    Neither of those would work. Blips without levers need a blipbox which aren't cheap, and it needs both left and right levers as the right hand shifts up and the left hand shifts down.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    If anyone has a rear mech + 11sp mechanical Etap shifters to dispose of, let me know...
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    ETAP isn't mechanical, sadly
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    shirley_basso said:

    ETAP isn't mechanical, sadly

    I mean mechanical brakes as in non-hydraulic
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    I guess the bottleneck is that I seem to gather 11 speed only came in the spendy RED version... I was hoping Force existed too, but it seems Force is only 12 speed... might be difficult to source RED second hand at a decent price
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Everything SRAM is stupid expensive or unobtainable atm - even the 'Bay is stupid priced.

    its blimmin' ridic tbh.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • whyamihere
    whyamihere Posts: 7,712
    The 12 speed shifters can operate an 11 speed rear mech as of a recent firmware update: https://cyclingtips.com/2021/11/sram-introduces-backward-compatibility-for-11-speed-etap-users/

    I may be selling some 11 speed Red kit soon. I'm planning to sell it all together if I can, with hydro shifters and a front mech, but if that doesn't fly I could let you know if I'm selling the rear mech alone at some point.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    MattFalle said:

    Everything SRAM is stupid expensive or unobtainable atm - even the 'Bay is stupid priced.

    its blimmin' ridic tbh.

    Yep... I was hoping that only needing 2 parts it would make it realistic, but it ain't... oh well
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    whyamihere said:

    The 12 speed shifters can operate an 11 speed rear mech as of a recent firmware update: https://cyclingtips.com/2021/11/sram-introduces-backward-compatibility-for-11-speed-etap-users/

    I may be selling some 11 speed Red kit soon. I'm planning to sell it all together if I can, with hydro shifters and a front mech, but if that doesn't fly I could let you know if I'm selling the rear mech alone at some point.

    Please do
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    ugo.santalucia said:

    MattFalle said:

    Everything SRAM is stupid expensive or unobtainable atm - even the 'Bay is stupid priced.

    its blimmin' ridic tbh.

    Yep... I was hoping that only needing 2 parts it would make it realistic, but it ain't... oh well
    ah amico - I'm looking around for a new Rival mech for the cx bike and HOW MUCH??????

    its utterly silly.

    good luck on the parts hunting.

    any idea what parts avilability/prices are like in Italy at at mo' - heading back shortly so wondering if its worth looking around.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    No idea, probably very expensive
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  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,099
    MattFalle said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    MattFalle said:

    Everything SRAM is stupid expensive or unobtainable atm - even the 'Bay is stupid priced.

    its blimmin' ridic tbh.

    Yep... I was hoping that only needing 2 parts it would make it realistic, but it ain't... oh well
    ah amico - I'm looking around for a new Rival mech for the cx bike and HOW MUCH??????

    its utterly silly.

    good luck on the parts hunting.

    any idea what parts avilability/prices are like in Italy at at mo' - heading back shortly so wondering if its worth looking around.
    for delivery to italy, also have a look at eu online stores, some that no longer ship to uk may have stock
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    Ah, remember when we could buy from Starbike and Rose? Those were the days!
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    sungod said:

    MattFalle said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    MattFalle said:

    Everything SRAM is stupid expensive or unobtainable atm - even the 'Bay is stupid priced.

    its blimmin' ridic tbh.

    Yep... I was hoping that only needing 2 parts it would make it realistic, but it ain't... oh well
    ah amico - I'm looking around for a new Rival mech for the cx bike and HOW MUCH??????

    its utterly silly.

    good luck on the parts hunting.

    any idea what parts avilability/prices are like in Italy at at mo' - heading back shortly so wondering if its worth looking around.
    for delivery to italy, also have a look at eu online stores, some that no longer ship to uk may have stock
    good thinking Batman! Grazie 😀
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,099
    ugo.santalucia said:

    Ah, remember when we could buy from Starbike and Rose? Those were the days!

    starbike still ship to uk

    fww over the last year i've had some excellent results on >135gbp values as the uk import rules weren't applied, no vat/duty/fees, i.e. low starting price, no de vat, no uk vat, it may well be the only known brexit benefit

    obviously a lottery, but even with the duty/vat/fees it still would have been cheaper than uk pricing
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • paulbnix
    paulbnix Posts: 632
    I have 11s Etap and sometimes use it with a Shimano cassette so that definitely works.

    Etap 11s was always 2x so I'm unsure if the Rd works without the fd. As I believe the Rd is the master it may well do.

    I have a gear readout on my Bolt computer and sometimes when I set off the setting for the FD is n/a implying it hasn't woken up so may as well not be there. As soon as I shift the fd it shows the correct gear.

    As mentioned earlier you will need both shifters to change up and down.

    The new replacement Rd derived from 12s AXS to work as 11s is very unfortunately £500.

    I will say though that Etap works very well and is reliable. 5 years and 21000 miles with the original batteries.
  • paulbnix
    paulbnix Posts: 632
    One further point is that many of the 2nd hand Etap RDs for sale are not the WiFi versions which could limit your cassette range.
    The WiFi easily copes with 11-34. Not sure what the other rd range is.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,309
    Thanks paulbnix
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