Cressida Dick steps aside as head of the Met
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Surprised she lasted this long tbh. There’s only so many scandals that can take place under your watch before the mud sticks.
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Stupid swear filter !!!!!!0
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Enjoying the idea that Patel thinks the Met is too woke
Also, enjoying the idea that *this* is the only policing story the UK is talking about this week
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Local London news is all about the Charing Cross texts.
Some of those involved have since been *promoted*.0 -
The most damning one I heard was a detective clearly harassing a victim of crime is now in a senior position under her.0
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The problem with policing everywhere is twofold in my eyes.
It naturally lends itself to an us against them mentality when you are regularly dealing with a sub-set of society who hate what you stand for.
Police are recruited by police. Naturally leads to mini me organisations which lack critical thinking and diverse/challenging viewpoints.0 -
I think in this case it actually adds to the title.kingstonian said:Stupid swear filter !!!!!!
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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She may have a point, less boogying down when they should be working and a more professional attitude at work in general (including conduct in email and messaging).tailwindhome said:Enjoying the idea that Patel thinks the Met is too woke
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A big part of the job is simply being present.davidof said:
She may have a point, less boogying down when they should be working and a more professional attitude at work in general (including conduct in email and messaging).tailwindhome said:Enjoying the idea that Patel thinks the Met is too woke
Being approachable and engaging with people whilst doing so (as in the picture) is hardly a bad thing.0 -
I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.0
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You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
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Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
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If leaders can't set the culture of an organisation then we are really screwed.TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
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I suspect people may have been worried about how it would be seen sacking the first female and first gay person to have the job.kingstonian said:Surprised she lasted this long tbh. There’s only so many scandals that can take place under your watch before the mud sticks.
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Yes the chumocracy aspect does seem to be the issue. As well as the police policing themselves.morstar said:The problem with policing everywhere is twofold in my eyes.
It naturally lends itself to an us against them mentality when you are regularly dealing with a sub-set of society who hate what you stand for.
Police are recruited by police. Naturally leads to mini me organisations which lack critical thinking and diverse/challenging viewpoints.
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If she wasn't the person to sort the problems out, she needed to go, regardless of how long it's going to take to fix the problems though.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
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Unless it's moving in the right direction, then it won't improve even over a twenty year period.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
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I have seen a CEO change the culture of an organisation albeit only 1600 staff. The new leader would need to directly communicate their values to the leadership and extended leadership team plus all new recruits. I would think that over a 5 year period you could reach a point where every Met officer knew that rape and murder were wrong.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
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Luckily hiring practices that focus on competencies rather than "real good guy" (RGG) metrics are derided regularly as "woke" practices.First.Aspect said:
Yes the chumocracy aspect does seem to be the issue. As well as the police policing themselves.morstar said:The problem with policing everywhere is twofold in my eyes.
It naturally lends itself to an us against them mentality when you are regularly dealing with a sub-set of society who hate what you stand for.
Police are recruited by police. Naturally leads to mini me organisations which lack critical thinking and diverse/challenging viewpoints.0 -
They need to come up with a way to protect officers from spurious legal challenges and being baited into bad situations, which absolutely happens and hampers the job substantially, that does not result in police closing ranks every time one of theirs does a bad thing.surrey_commuter said:
I have seen a CEO change the culture of an organisation albeit only 1600 staff. The new leader would need to directly communicate their values to the leadership and extended leadership team plus all new recruits. I would think that over a 5 year period you could reach a point where every Met officer knew that rape and murder were wrong.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
It would also help the crime numbers if they stopped committing them
I have absolutely no idea how this is done, but that is a real challenge, and I suspect there is a bit of give-and-take around the law and regulation of police officers.
It is also not helped that it is so under funded they have a real problem hiring so often the mate of the bloke who is hiring is the only person they can find.
On a very basic level D!ck managed to convey a real lack of understanding of the issues around policing that were happening in the police-force she was responsible for, so that was always going to be problematic for her.0 -
Would they still joke about them and take selfies?surrey_commuter said:
I have seen a CEO change the culture of an organisation albeit only 1600 staff. The new leader would need to directly communicate their values to the leadership and extended leadership team plus all new recruits. I would think that over a 5 year period you could reach a point where every Met officer knew that rape and murder were wrong.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
It would also help the crime numbers if they stopped committing them
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This. My own employer has a new CEO and there was an almost instant change in tone. CD seems to have tried to tread a line acknowledging problems without saying or doing much that might be seen to blame anyone around her. Ultimately it not possible to change a culture if you are saying on the one hand that all your colleagues have been doing a great job.surrey_commuter said:
I have seen a CEO change the culture of an organisation albeit only 1600 staff. The new leader would need to directly communicate their values to the leadership and extended leadership team plus all new recruits. I would think that over a 5 year period you could reach a point where every Met officer knew that rape and murder were wrong.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
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I just think it is a much wider issue and one that politicians need to take some responsibility for. In my neck of the woods, kids routinely kill kids. In an ideal world, they would have a stake in society and not see killing each other as the path to paradise. The police then attempt to manage the mess. This inevitably attracts the sort of person happy to be hated by much of a community. They then adapt their policing to comply with political whims and the general lack of funding and staff. This leads to short-cuts which results in prejudice.kingstongraham said:
Unless it's moving in the right direction, then it won't improve even over a twenty year period.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
I'm not defending the police officers involved, but it is politicians that need to be held accountable as well.0 -
You seem to be arguing in favour of more emphasis on social services. Burn him.TheBigBean said:
I just think it is a much wider issue and one that politicians need to take some responsibility for. In my neck of the woods, kids routinely kill kids. In an ideal world, they would have a stake in society and not see killing each other as the path to paradise. The police then attempt to manage the mess. This inevitably attracts the sort of person happy to be hated by much of a community. They then adapt their policing to comply with political whims and the general lack of funding and staff. This leads to short-cuts which results in prejudice.kingstongraham said:
Unless it's moving in the right direction, then it won't improve even over a twenty year period.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
I'm not defending the police officers involved, but it is politicians that need to be held accountable as well.
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TheBigBean said:
I just think it is a much wider issue and one that politicians need to take some responsibility for. In my neck of the woods, kids routinely kill kids. In an ideal world, they would have a stake in society and not see killing each other as the path to paradise. The police then attempt to manage the mess. This inevitably attracts the sort of person happy to be hated by much of a community. They then adapt their policing to comply with political whims and the general lack of funding and staff. This leads to short-cuts which results in prejudice.kingstongraham said:
Unless it's moving in the right direction, then it won't improve even over a twenty year period.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
I'm not defending the police officers involved, but it is politicians that need to be held accountable as well.
I agree that some of the problems laid at CD's feet were far from unique to the Police. And yes, the ongoing irony of a Conservative government that literally defunded the police and the justice system, but still likes to wang on about being tough on crime.TheBigBean said:
I just think it is a much wider issue and one that politicians need to take some responsibility for. In my neck of the woods, kids routinely kill kids. In an ideal world, they would have a stake in society and not see killing each other as the path to paradise. The police then attempt to manage the mess. This inevitably attracts the sort of person happy to be hated by much of a community. They then adapt their policing to comply with political whims and the general lack of funding and staff. This leads to short-cuts which results in prejudice.kingstongraham said:
Unless it's moving in the right direction, then it won't improve even over a twenty year period.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
I'm not defending the police officers involved, but it is politicians that need to be held accountable as well.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I haven't looked into it, but how much blame does Khan get for funding issues? For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not giving the Conservatives a pass on this, far from it, but I suspect Khan needs some blaming too.rjsterry said:TheBigBean said:
I just think it is a much wider issue and one that politicians need to take some responsibility for. In my neck of the woods, kids routinely kill kids. In an ideal world, they would have a stake in society and not see killing each other as the path to paradise. The police then attempt to manage the mess. This inevitably attracts the sort of person happy to be hated by much of a community. They then adapt their policing to comply with political whims and the general lack of funding and staff. This leads to short-cuts which results in prejudice.kingstongraham said:
Unless it's moving in the right direction, then it won't improve even over a twenty year period.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
I'm not defending the police officers involved, but it is politicians that need to be held accountable as well.
I agree that some of the problems laid at CD's feet were far from unique to the Police. And yes, the ongoing irony of a Conservative government that literally defunded the police and the justice system, but still likes to wang on about being tough on crime.TheBigBean said:
I just think it is a much wider issue and one that politicians need to take some responsibility for. In my neck of the woods, kids routinely kill kids. In an ideal world, they would have a stake in society and not see killing each other as the path to paradise. The police then attempt to manage the mess. This inevitably attracts the sort of person happy to be hated by much of a community. They then adapt their policing to comply with political whims and the general lack of funding and staff. This leads to short-cuts which results in prejudice.kingstongraham said:
Unless it's moving in the right direction, then it won't improve even over a twenty year period.TheBigBean said:
Even over a five year time period.kingstongraham said:
You mean immediately?TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued how Khan thinks a new head will solve all the problems.
I'm not defending the police officers involved, but it is politicians that need to be held accountable as well.0 -
Probably some. I've been somewhat underwhelmed by Khan, but beats having to put up with Livingston or Johnson.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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One for the unpopular opinions thread, but my order of preference is 1. Livingston 2. Johnson 3. Khan.rjsterry said:Probably some. I've been somewhat underwhelmed by Khan, but beats having to put up with Livingston or Johnson.
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it is a bit of marketing fluff to pretend that things are different while fundamentally they are not.morstar said:
A big part of the job is simply being present.
Being approachable and engaging with people whilst doing so (as in the picture) is hardly a bad thing.
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