Flying to outer space

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    rjsterry said:

    Surprised how little smoke there is from take off, versus the rockets from 50 years ago.


    Well turns out it's a 6th of the thrust of say, this rocket:

    https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2020/09/Vega_lifts_off

    so that's why.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_orbital_rocket_engines
    Yes, Saturn 5s are BIG.
    14x as big to blue orbital it turns out.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,200
    Nice for him, but as it didn't blow up and kill the rich guy, not sure why it's on the BBC news site.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154


    A bit of a select club this, being a billionaire having rockets n stuff.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    edited July 2021
    This should go in the "learnt thread" but still, a human can go into space and land quicker than some posts take to appear on this forum.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    Why paying tax when you can build a rocket instead?
    left the forum March 2023
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    I would question the products from Amazon are rubbish part, but I admire your stance.

    Vast majority is Chinese plastic tat and low quality tools... you should be able to get the good stuff from somewhere else. The notable exception are books no longer in print, which only seem to sell second hand on Amazon.
    cheapest place to buy Deda handlebar tape though....
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    rjsterry said:

    Surprised how little smoke there is from take off, versus the rockets from 50 years ago.


    Well turns out it's a 6th of the thrust of say, this rocket:

    https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2020/09/Vega_lifts_off

    so that's why.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_orbital_rocket_engines
    Yes, Saturn 5s are BIG.
    14x as big to blue orbital it turns out.
    The tour around Cape Canaveral is fantastic. They have a Saturn 5 and it is unbelievably big, the re-entry pod is correspondingly small. They painted the stars and stripes on the outside of the assembley building and each star is 6 feet in diameter.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    bit of a penis shaped rocket, Bezos' one innit?
    left the forum March 2023
  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338

    bit of a penis shaped rocket, Bezos' one innit?


    He's going to shudder when he reads this.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,693

    rjsterry said:

    Surprised how little smoke there is from take off, versus the rockets from 50 years ago.


    Well turns out it's a 6th of the thrust of say, this rocket:

    https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2020/09/Vega_lifts_off

    so that's why.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_orbital_rocket_engines
    Yes, Saturn 5s are BIG.
    14x as big to blue orbital it turns out.
    The tour around Cape Canaveral is fantastic. They have a Saturn 5 and it is unbelievably big, the re-entry pod is correspondingly small. They painted the stars and stripes on the outside of the assembley building and each star is 6 feet in diameter.
    Went there a few years back, well worth a visit. As you say, it's big.




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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,542



    A bit of a select club this, being a billionaire having rockets n stuff.
    Abramovich must feel a bit of a non-entity or dinosaur only having his superyacht and jet. Maybe we should have a whip round.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Pross said:



    A bit of a select club this, being a billionaire having rockets n stuff.
    Abramovich must feel a bit of a non-entity or dinosaur only having his superyacht and jet. Maybe we should have a whip round.
    Maybe not spunking money on a football club is the key factor in being able to afford participation in a space race.
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    If we all clubbed together in a pact where we cannot pass someone in the street who has been on one of these trips without booting them in the nuts full bore the world would be a better place. I can't think of a more in your face act of eco vandalism as this.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    morstar said:

    Pross said:



    A bit of a select club this, being a billionaire having rockets n stuff.
    Abramovich must feel a bit of a non-entity or dinosaur only having his superyacht and jet. Maybe we should have a whip round.
    Maybe not spunking money on a football club is the key factor in being able to afford participation in a space race.
    Mind you. By my own logic, I can now build a rocket.
    Maybe it is ‘a’ factor and not the key one.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,756
    john80 said:

    If we all clubbed together in a pact where we cannot pass someone in the street who has been on one of these trips without booting them in the nuts full bore the world would be a better place. I can't think of a more in your face act of eco vandalism as this.

    Lol. These people don't walk about in the street.
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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    rjsterry said:

    john80 said:

    If we all clubbed together in a pact where we cannot pass someone in the street who has been on one of these trips without booting them in the nuts full bore the world would be a better place. I can't think of a more in your face act of eco vandalism as this.

    Lol. These people don't walk about in the street.
    No man is an island
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183

    bit of a penis shaped rocket, Bezos' one innit?

    Flesh Gordon, 1974 (very) soft porno


  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    I tried to raise the issue of whether these chaps are going to outer space and it does seem that there is a lot of doubt about Branson but that Bezos definitely did as he went above the Karman line.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    john80 said:

    rjsterry said:

    john80 said:

    If we all clubbed together in a pact where we cannot pass someone in the street who has been on one of these trips without booting them in the nuts full bore the world would be a better place. I can't think of a more in your face act of eco vandalism as this.

    Lol. These people don't walk about in the street.
    No man is an island
    But he can own one.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,200

    I tried to raise the issue of whether these chaps are going to outer space and it does seem that there is a lot of doubt about Branson but that Bezos definitely did as he went above the Karman line.

    Maybe it's like going on a cross channel ferry but not getting off. You've definitely been in French waters, and you can see France, so I guess you've been to France. But it's not really much of a trip to France.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,255
    How much of his £1.2bn Virgin financial bailout has dear Richard spent on his not quite there yet 'space' jaunt? Though it was 'A Grand Day Out'.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,200
    Elon musk seems to be the one actually getting on with it and putting shit in space.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    Elon musk seems to be the one actually getting on with it and putting shit in space.

    For me Branson and Bezos have provided a benchmark to show us how great Musk’s achievement is
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Branson’s is the only limited one. It is a tourism plane with limited further scope.

    Bezos has a much larger project of which this is just one part.

    10 minutes from start to finish, while friendly to viewing does seem a remarkably short hop though. A lot of distance covered in that time mind.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited July 2021

    Elon musk seems to be the one actually getting on with it and putting shit in space.

    For me Branson and Bezos have provided a benchmark to show us how great Musk’s achievement is
    Getting the market to valuate a second rate car manufacturer at multiples of the next best car manufacturer is a much bigger achievement.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,643

    Elon musk seems to be the one actually getting on with it and putting shit in space.

    For me Branson and Bezos have provided a benchmark to show us how great Musk’s achievement is
    Getting the market to valuate a second rate car manufacturer at multiples of the next best car manufacturer is a much bigger achievement.
    Not disputing its over valued status, but are they not becoming a battery manufacturer with a sideline in cars?

    They have been the leading light in transforming the image of electric cars to vehicles that have widespread consumer appeal too.

    Their quality issues are pretty shocking though.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Jezyboy said:

    Elon musk seems to be the one actually getting on with it and putting shit in space.

    For me Branson and Bezos have provided a benchmark to show us how great Musk’s achievement is
    Getting the market to valuate a second rate car manufacturer at multiples of the next best car manufacturer is a much bigger achievement.
    Not disputing its over valued status, but are they not becoming a battery manufacturer with a sideline in cars?

    They have been the leading light in transforming the image of electric cars to vehicles that have widespread consumer appeal too.

    Their quality issues are pretty shocking though.
    I am regurgitating what I have read from elsewhere, that their batteries are as good as the other leaders but no better.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

    Jezyboy said:

    Elon musk seems to be the one actually getting on with it and putting shit in space.

    For me Branson and Bezos have provided a benchmark to show us how great Musk’s achievement is
    Getting the market to valuate a second rate car manufacturer at multiples of the next best car manufacturer is a much bigger achievement.
    Not disputing its over valued status, but are they not becoming a battery manufacturer with a sideline in cars?

    They have been the leading light in transforming the image of electric cars to vehicles that have widespread consumer appeal too.

    Their quality issues are pretty shocking though.
    I am regurgitating what I have read from elsewhere, that their batteries are as good as the other leaders but no better.
    One of the key things they have done is design an electric car from the ground up.

    Not simply convert existing designs to electric.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180

    Jezyboy said:

    Elon musk seems to be the one actually getting on with it and putting shit in space.

    For me Branson and Bezos have provided a benchmark to show us how great Musk’s achievement is
    Getting the market to valuate a second rate car manufacturer at multiples of the next best car manufacturer is a much bigger achievement.
    Not disputing its over valued status, but are they not becoming a battery manufacturer with a sideline in cars?

    They have been the leading light in transforming the image of electric cars to vehicles that have widespread consumer appeal too.

    Their quality issues are pretty shocking though.
    I am regurgitating what I have read from elsewhere, that their batteries are as good as the other leaders but no better.
    The new 4680 batteries are are significant step up. Not just the batteries themselves but the manufacturing process. The new packs will about half the price for same energy storage and less weight. This will give us £20k cars with 250-300 mile range.