Things that don't stand the test of time

pblakeney

morstar said:

I would like to move house but in my opinion the cost of housing is too high.

Stick and spend the savings on things that you will actually enjoy instead of having.

morstar

pblakeney said:

morstar said:

I would like to move house but in my opinion the cost of housing is too high.

Stick and spend the savings on things that you will actually enjoy instead of having.

TBH, that is very much the way my internal debate goes every single time.

I’d love to move to something just a bit better but it would cost the sort of money that in my mind should get me dream home status and it would be anything but.

Do need to invest a few Bob in repairs on the currently neglected 4 walls though but that seems like a far better ROI.

briantrumpet

Pratt & Whitney turbine blades, it seems:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/23/us/boeing-aircraft-engine-fail-tuesday/index.html

rolf_f

briantrumpet said:

Pratt & Whitney turbine blades, it seems:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/23/us/boeing-aircraft-engine-fail-tuesday/index.html

I knew what had happened as soon as the incident was reported. I once, through work, visited a turbine manufacturer in Leeds. They said you got exactly the same model of turbine blades on HEP sites in Alaska as you did on aircraft turbines. The only difference was that the best quality ones went to the power stations - because those had to run every day, largely unattended for 6 months at a time whereas the aircraft engines were being checked and overhauled all the time. Well, nearly all the time.......

morstar

Years ago I saw a documentary about Donald Trump. Have never liked him since as he came across a total, privileged bellend.
However, one thing he was Uber particular about was his aircraft maintenance.
He insisted on having his own parts serviced and replaced on his plane so he knew exactly what their service history was.
This was totally at odds with the service models used whereby they take off your bit and replace it with a n other serviced part and then yours gets serviced and installed on the next one.
Where stuff like this is concerned, you can see his point in knowing history.

Jezyboy

rolf_f said:

briantrumpet said:

Pratt & Whitney turbine blades, it seems:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/23/us/boeing-aircraft-engine-fail-tuesday/index.html

I knew what had happened as soon as the incident was reported. I once, through work, visited a turbine manufacturer in Leeds. They said you got exactly the same model of turbine blades on HEP sites in Alaska as you did on aircraft turbines. The only difference was that the best quality ones went to the power stations - because those had to run every day, largely unattended for 6 months at a time whereas the aircraft engines were being checked and overhauled all the time. Well, nearly all the time.......

That's a big ol fan blade. There wouldn't be one on an industrial gas turbine as it produces no thrust.

focuszing723

A firework.

shortfall

Singer Paul Young's voice.

ballysmate

shortfall said:

Singer Paul Young's voice.

Tbf it was pretty average to begin with.

DeVlaeminck

ballysmate said:

shortfall said:

Singer Paul Young's voice.

Tbf it was pretty average to begin with.

I think he had a good voice back in the day but maybe time to call it a day. Googled him live in 2019

pblakeney

ballysmate said:

shortfall said:

Singer Paul Young's voice.

Tbf it was pretty average to begin with.

Can't remember who was who but the making of Bandaid was quite revealing to hear the voices before they went through mixers. Some excellent, some not to be polite.

elbowloh

morstar said:

Years ago I saw a documentary about Donald Trump. Have never liked him since as he came across a total, privileged censored .
However, one thing he was Uber particular about was his aircraft maintenance.
He insisted on having his own parts serviced and replaced on his plane so he knew exactly what their service history was.
This was totally at odds with the service models used whereby they take off your bit and replace it with a n other serviced part and then yours gets serviced and installed on the next one.
Where stuff like this is concerned, you can see his point in knowing history.

If it was me, I'd have my own parts services and, if need be, replaced in a hospital.

me-109

He had his parts serviced by Melania.
Maybe she was Wet Wet Wet?

PMark

elbowloh said:

rolf_f said:

me-109 said:

briantrumpet said:

me-109 said:

Apple devices/products

On purpose?

If 'batterygate ' is any thing to go by, yes. I've had a couple of phones and they did appear to be robust physically, but the product lifecycle seems to be artificially shortened by software and OS compatability. Or features that nobody really needs that seem to be intrinsic to the platform/OS and therefore rule out running on older devices.

Hardware impressive, control freak software awful. I have an iphone7 which drives me nuts (currently I can't upload new apps on it because it doesn't accept my Appleid since I foolishly accepted an update and seemingly the only way to reset the Appleid is log on with "my other Apple device". But I don't have another Apple device..... An obnoxious company.

This. My wife has an iPhone and doesn't watch to change, however she wants me to back it up, download photos, manage the storage and its a sodding pain in the censored . Particularly when you don't want to use the Apple Cloud as we have everything else backed up in google drive.

Apple devices. I hate them.

Using an iPhone without iCloud is a bit like buying a road bike and never using it on the road. Sure it will work, but not very well.

seanoconn

ballysmate said:

shortfall said:

Singer Paul Young's voice.

Tbf it was pretty average to begin with.

I liked his voice.

https://youtu.be/nfk6sCzRTbM

Classic

Can’t say the same about his dancing.

elbowloh

markdurdle said:

elbowloh said:

rolf_f said:

me-109 said:

briantrumpet said:

me-109 said:

Apple devices/products

On purpose?

If 'batterygate ' is any thing to go by, yes. I've had a couple of phones and they did appear to be robust physically, but the product lifecycle seems to be artificially shortened by software and OS compatability. Or features that nobody really needs that seem to be intrinsic to the platform/OS and therefore rule out running on older devices.

Hardware impressive, control freak software awful. I have an iphone7 which drives me nuts (currently I can't upload new apps on it because it doesn't accept my Appleid since I foolishly accepted an update and seemingly the only way to reset the Appleid is log on with "my other Apple device". But I don't have another Apple device..... An obnoxious company.

This. My wife has an iPhone and doesn't watch to change, however she wants me to back it up, download photos, manage the storage and its a sodding pain in the censored . Particularly when you don't want to use the Apple Cloud as we have everything else backed up in google drive.

Apple devices. I hate them.

Using an iPhone without iCloud is a bit like buying a road bike and never using it on the road. Sure it will work, but not very well.

We use the free iCloud space for some stuff, but to bck up all her photos, you're talking about paying a monthly fee. Why should we, when we already have a cloud service through google?

Wheelspinner

elbowloh said:

markdurdle said:

elbowloh said:

rolf_f said:

me-109 said:

briantrumpet said:

me-109 said:

Apple devices/products

On purpose?

If 'batterygate ' is any thing to go by, yes. I've had a couple of phones and they did appear to be robust physically, but the product lifecycle seems to be artificially shortened by software and OS compatability. Or features that nobody really needs that seem to be intrinsic to the platform/OS and therefore rule out running on older devices.

Hardware impressive, control freak software awful. I have an iphone7 which drives me nuts (currently I can't upload new apps on it because it doesn't accept my Appleid since I foolishly accepted an update and seemingly the only way to reset the Appleid is log on with "my other Apple device". But I don't have another Apple device..... An obnoxious company.

This. My wife has an iPhone and doesn't watch to change, however she wants me to back it up, download photos, manage the storage and its a sodding pain in the censored . Particularly when you don't want to use the Apple Cloud as we have everything else backed up in google drive.

Apple devices. I hate them.

Using an iPhone without iCloud is a bit like buying a road bike and never using it on the road. Sure it will work, but not very well.

We use the free iCloud space for some stuff, but to bck up all her photos, you're talking about paying a monthly fee. Why should we, when we already have a cloud service through google?

?
I don't really understand your problem. If you use either Windows or Mac computers, you can simply choose to backup your/her phone through iTunes software direct to that device instead of being "forced" to use iCloud with the storage limit for free

Yes you have to install iTunes on the Windows machine if that's what you use, or do you not have computer at home or work otherwise? It's free software. It works fine.

- Plug in phone.
- Sync/backup.

Simple.

pblakeney

elbowloh said:

We use the free iCloud space for some stuff, but to bck up all her photos, you're talking about paying a monthly fee. Why should we, when we already have a cloud service through google?

That logic works both ways. I don't have a Google account. No point.

rick_chasey

Apple storage is what, 50p a month?

elbowloh

Wheelspinner said:

elbowloh said:

markdurdle said:

elbowloh said:

rolf_f said:

me-109 said:

briantrumpet said:

me-109 said:

Apple devices/products

On purpose?

If 'batterygate ' is any thing to go by, yes. I've had a couple of phones and they did appear to be robust physically, but the product lifecycle seems to be artificially shortened by software and OS compatability. Or features that nobody really needs that seem to be intrinsic to the platform/OS and therefore rule out running on older devices.

Hardware impressive, control freak software awful. I have an iphone7 which drives me nuts (currently I can't upload new apps on it because it doesn't accept my Appleid since I foolishly accepted an update and seemingly the only way to reset the Appleid is log on with "my other Apple device". But I don't have another Apple device..... An obnoxious company.

This. My wife has an iPhone and doesn't watch to change, however she wants me to back it up, download photos, manage the storage and its a sodding pain in the censored . Particularly when you don't want to use the Apple Cloud as we have everything else backed up in google drive.

Apple devices. I hate them.

Using an iPhone without iCloud is a bit like buying a road bike and never using it on the road. Sure it will work, but not very well.

We use the free iCloud space for some stuff, but to bck up all her photos, you're talking about paying a monthly fee. Why should we, when we already have a cloud service through google?

?
I don't really understand your problem. If you use either Windows or Mac computers, you can simply choose to backup your/her phone through iTunes software direct to that device instead of being "forced" to use iCloud with the storage limit for free

Yes you have to install iTunes on the Windows machine if that's what you use, or do you not have computer at home or work otherwise? It's free software. It works fine.

- Plug in phone.
- Sync/backup.

Simple.

Have you tried to look at/organise photos you've backed up in iTunes?

Oh and it really doesn't work fine on windows laptops. The amount of times i've had to re-install the software, re-start it and the phone just to get it to recognise that a phone is connected, re-start back-ups because it hangs part way through it ridiculous. Not just on one laptop or on one model of iPhone, but the a number of devices over the last 5 years.

Anyway, i don't really care if you understand my problem, its a problem for us!

elbowloh

pblakeney said:

elbowloh said:

We use the free iCloud space for some stuff, but to bck up all her photos, you're talking about paying a monthly fee. Why should we, when we already have a cloud service through google?

That logic works both ways. I don't have a Google account. No point.

rick_chasey said:

Apple storage is what, 50p a month?

It's about £8 per month off the top of my head

rick_chasey

elbowloh said:

pblakeney said:

elbowloh said:

We use the free iCloud space for some stuff, but to bck up all her photos, you're talking about paying a monthly fee. Why should we, when we already have a cloud service through google?

That logic works both ways. I don't have a Google account. No point.

rick_chasey said:

Apple storage is what, 50p a month?

It's about £8 per month off the top of my head

Ok i'll re-phrase, I spend 50p a month for 50gb of space on apple

elbowloh

rick_chasey said:

elbowloh said:

pblakeney said:

elbowloh said:

We use the free iCloud space for some stuff, but to bck up all her photos, you're talking about paying a monthly fee. Why should we, when we already have a cloud service through google?

That logic works both ways. I don't have a Google account. No point.

rick_chasey said:

Apple storage is what, 50p a month?

It's about £8 per month off the top of my head

Ok i'll re-phrase, I spend 50p a month for 50gb of space on apple

Thats nice. Good for you.

pblakeney

elbowloh said:

Have you tried to look at/organise photos you've backed up in iTunes?

Use the Photos app.
I have nearly 40,000 photos and can access any one in seconds.

rolf_f

Jezyboy said:

rolf_f said:

briantrumpet said:

Pratt & Whitney turbine blades, it seems:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/23/us/boeing-aircraft-engine-fail-tuesday/index.html

I knew what had happened as soon as the incident was reported. I once, through work, visited a turbine manufacturer in Leeds. They said you got exactly the same model of turbine blades on HEP sites in Alaska as you did on aircraft turbines. The only difference was that the best quality ones went to the power stations - because those had to run every day, largely unattended for 6 months at a time whereas the aircraft engines were being checked and overhauled all the time. Well, nearly all the time.......

That's a big ol fan blade. There wouldn't be one on an industrial gas turbine as it produces no thrust.

Conversation was over 20 years ago and I can't be relied on for the fine detail but the gist of the message was straightforward enough. I guess we'll soon find out that either the blade was faulty or it hadn't been maintained correctly.

iPhone. Work issue; can't use the cloud. Can't reactivate my Appleid because although I can access my account on a PC Apple requires you to use another Apple device which obviously I don't have. I have a stack of text messages I need to get off the phone which even Apple don't know will be recoverable if I reset the phone completely. Any other device would allow you to export the texts as a word document but all I've achieved so far is to screen shot each one; madness. iTunes is utter crap and any attempt to synchronise images falls over repeatedly despite trying on different computers with different OS. Probably fine if you are able to do things in the one, precise way that Apple want you to do it but if for any reason you can't, they do everything they can to make alternative approaches fail.
As I see it, if a company treats me with contempt I won't want to use their products. It's an odd business model for Apple but they seem to get away with it. The IT support staff hate them too.

Markall84

Friendster

elbowloh

rolf_f said:

Jezyboy said:

rolf_f said:

briantrumpet said:

Pratt & Whitney turbine blades, it seems:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/23/us/boeing-aircraft-engine-fail-tuesday/index.html

I knew what had happened as soon as the incident was reported. I once, through work, visited a turbine manufacturer in Leeds. They said you got exactly the same model of turbine blades on HEP sites in Alaska as you did on aircraft turbines. The only difference was that the best quality ones went to the power stations - because those had to run every day, largely unattended for 6 months at a time whereas the aircraft engines were being checked and overhauled all the time. Well, nearly all the time.......

That's a big ol fan blade. There wouldn't be one on an industrial gas turbine as it produces no thrust.

Conversation was over 20 years ago and I can't be relied on for the fine detail but the gist of the message was straightforward enough. I guess we'll soon find out that either the blade was faulty or it hadn't been maintained correctly.

iPhone. Work issue; can't use the cloud. Can't reactivate my Appleid because although I can access my account on a PC Apple requires you to use another Apple device which obviously I don't have. I have a stack of text messages I need to get off the phone which even Apple don't know will be recoverable if I reset the phone completely. Any other device would allow you to export the texts as a word document but all I've achieved so far is to screen shot each one; madness. iTunes is utter censored and any attempt to synchronise images falls over repeatedly despite trying on different computers with different OS. Probably fine if you are able to do things in the one, precise way that Apple want you to do it but if for any reason you can't, they do everything they can to make alternative approaches fail.
As I see it, if a company treats me with contempt I won't want to use their products. It's an odd business model for Apple but they seem to get away with it. The IT support staff hate them too.

This.

a'holes.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

Apple storage is what, 50p a month?

79p a month I think

briantrumpet

elbowloh said:

rolf_f said:

Jezyboy said:

rolf_f said:

briantrumpet said:

Pratt & Whitney turbine blades, it seems:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/23/us/boeing-aircraft-engine-fail-tuesday/index.html

I knew what had happened as soon as the incident was reported. I once, through work, visited a turbine manufacturer in Leeds. They said you got exactly the same model of turbine blades on HEP sites in Alaska as you did on aircraft turbines. The only difference was that the best quality ones went to the power stations - because those had to run every day, largely unattended for 6 months at a time whereas the aircraft engines were being checked and overhauled all the time. Well, nearly all the time.......

That's a big ol fan blade. There wouldn't be one on an industrial gas turbine as it produces no thrust.

Conversation was over 20 years ago and I can't be relied on for the fine detail but the gist of the message was straightforward enough. I guess we'll soon find out that either the blade was faulty or it hadn't been maintained correctly.

iPhone. Work issue; can't use the cloud. Can't reactivate my Appleid because although I can access my account on a PC Apple requires you to use another Apple device which obviously I don't have. I have a stack of text messages I need to get off the phone which even Apple don't know will be recoverable if I reset the phone completely. Any other device would allow you to export the texts as a word document but all I've achieved so far is to screen shot each one; madness. iTunes is utter censored and any attempt to synchronise images falls over repeatedly despite trying on different computers with different OS. Probably fine if you are able to do things in the one, precise way that Apple want you to do it but if for any reason you can't, they do everything they can to make alternative approaches fail.
As I see it, if a company treats me with contempt I won't want to use their products. It's an odd business model for Apple but they seem to get away with it. The IT support staff hate them too.

This.

a'holes.

This is exactly what winds me up about Apple. Their "it just works" bull is only just about true (until it doesn't) expressly because, unlike Windows and Android, they've booby-trapped the bonnet release catch, and they are the only ones with the code, so you have to go back to them to fix anything. And then they go "Whaaa, told you so, Windows/Android breaks!!". Well, yes, it does, from time to time, but that's because they let everyone access its workings and to hook stuff up to it to give all sorts of options to use whatever you want bolted on to the systems. Given how much extra stuff most of us plug into Windows & Android, some of it of knowingly dubious origin, it's a miracle it works more than 50% of the time, let alone the 99.9% it normally does. "But your laptop only lasted 3 years!!" Yes, it did, and it only cost £320 new.

elbowloh

One of my windows 10 laptops was bought in 2013 and is still going, albeit a bit sluggish. It was about £450 at the time