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Strava ebike achievements

lyn.ford55lyn.ford55 Posts: 1
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I am relatively new to e-bikes having previously ridden unassisted. Is there a way of retaining view of my ride achievements on Strava which do not then appear on leaderboards. Once Ive saved a Strava ride as 'e-ride' they disappear. It would be nice to be able to keep track of my new personal records.

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  • N0bodyOfTheGoatN0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 5,784
    Create e-bike segments on Strava via web browser, rather than the mobile app?
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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,046
    Just save it as a normal ride. You're unlikely to steal KOM with a road legal e-bike so it shouldn't bother anybody
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  • N0bodyOfTheGoatN0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 5,784
    ugo.santalucia said:

    Just save it as a normal ride. You're unlikely to steal KOM with a road legal e-bike so it shouldn't bother anybody

    Is your hill climbing going that well that you exceed 15.5mph average without a tailwind? :D
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  • homers_doublehomers_double Posts: 7,849
    Of course it is, the internet adds at least 13%.
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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,046
    edited August 2020
    N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    Just save it as a normal ride. You're unlikely to steal KOM with a road legal e-bike so it shouldn't bother anybody

    Is your hill climbing going that well that you exceed 15.5mph average without a tailwind? :D
    But the motor is limited to 250 W as I understand, so you won't do 25km/h uphill...
    I don't know how these things work, can you get 500 Watt out of it by combining your power + the one of the bike?

    Either way, I don't expect folks buying e-bikes to be particularly powerful or particularly light, so even adding 250 Watt, they're still unlikely to catch a KOM.

    On the back of an envelope: the average e-bike user is probably 20 kg heavier than the average uphill KOM holder... plus another 5 kg of battery powered bike. So that's 25 kg extra. You need at least 5 W/kg to claim an uphill cat 2 KOM, often you need more like 6 or even 7 for a CAT3 or 8-9 for shorter CAT 4 climbs. But let's say 5... so the e-bike rider starts at a 125 Watt weight penalty. Then the KOM holder is for sure 125 W more powerful than the e-bike rider, so the all 250 W advantage of the e-bike is easily being neutralised. The shorter the climb, the less likely the e-bike is to "win the day".
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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,046
    ... and even if they do get a KOM, ultimately, how is that different from the Tour of Britain motoring up your local CAT 4 hill as a peloton and claiming the first 100 spots on the Strava board?

    If you want to know your place in the pecking order, you'll have to stick a number on your back, because we all know there are a million and one ways to cheat on Strava
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  • N0bodyOfTheGoatN0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 5,784
    Was that a no then? 😂

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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,046
    edited August 2020
    N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

    Was that a no then? 😂

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    No What?

    As I said speed is irrelevant... it's a function of gradient and power. An e-bike won't do 15.5 mph going up a 12% slope, unless it's powered by Pantani. It will provide you (legally) with an extra 250W...
    The point is that if you buy an e-bike, normally it is because you need an e-bike in order to go up such hills and so you won't bother people who care about their KOM with or without the motor. There might be the odd imbecile who buys an e-bike to grab said KOMs, but I suspect they will be very few, if any... and then again, it's easier to save the money and just drive up the hills if one is seeking fake glory.

    Hence my advice to the OP to not worry about labelling the ride as e-bike ride, he most likely will never be flagged.

    As for myself, since you ask, I think doing 10 mph up a 10% slope at the age of 47 is not something to be sniffed at. I won't win the National, I won't even win a local club hill climb, but at least I am trying to get a spot for the National, rather than willy waving about my FTP on Zwift
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  • davidofdavidof Posts: 3,023
    It is pretty easy to take KOMs on an ebike; even stuff like l'alpe d'Huez

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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,046
    davidof said:

    It is pretty easy to take KOMs on an ebike; even stuff like l'alpe d'Huez

    I'm not saying it isn't... you put a lean rider with a 250 W FTP on an e-bike and he will succeed.
    My point is that the same guy is not the demographic that buys an e-bike... unless he is an imbecile looking for fake glory.

    I honestly don't know if it's a common thing to do, to spend 10 grand on an ebike to look good on Strava...
    ... and I don't even know if it's that much different from sucking your chaingang wheel to claim a KOM up a railway bridge.



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  • N0bodyOfTheGoatN0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 5,784
    edited August 2020
    Most of us cannot average 15.5mph up a significant length 3%+ slope without wind or motor assistance, especially at our age.

    If you put an e-bike in "turbo" mode, I believe it will utilise the bike's motor to its full ability on top of the power input by the rider. I can only dream of putting out ~550W up a 5-10min cat4 climb, which even allowing for a ~22Kg e-bike like the Raleigh Motus, still means I would be travelling at the equivalent of ~5.4W/Kg instead of ~3.2 (taking account of the weight of my road bike and water bottles).

    Even if the particular e-bike motor only matches the power given by the rider up to the motor's maximum output, I could match my ~3.2W/Kg effort on the road bike by doing ~163W.

    There's a reason why e-bikes have a seperate category on Strava, because segment leaderboards are based on time, rather than raw rider power or W/Kg.
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  • parmosparmos Posts: 100
    bloke at work has a MTB with a little engine on and i know he uses strava in the normal way as there is a big bank near our works and when i look as his strava on the said hill it doesn't change at all while he's going up or down sneaky censored !!! and has KOM's all over
  • mrb123mrb123 Posts: 4,488
    My parents are in their 70s. Riding with them on their Ebikes, once the gradient gets above a few % you cannot compete.

    Their times on some of the Lake District climbs are comparable to the pros going over in the Tour of Britain.
  • davidofdavidof Posts: 3,023
    ugo.santalucia said:


    ... and I don't even know if it's that much different from sucking your chaingang wheel to claim a KOM up a railway bridge.



    or my favourite, waiting for a force 10 hurrican to tailwind a kom :-)

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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,046
    edited August 2020
    mrb123 said:

    My parents are in their 70s. Riding with them on their Ebikes, once the gradient gets above a few % you cannot compete.

    Their times on some of the Lake District climbs are comparable to the pros going over in the Tour of Britain.

    Sounds like the PROs took it easy.

    OK, here's one of the more meaningful segments round here... if you ask, courtesy of the ToB (both boys and girls) I stand 479th at 4:01.

    In order to compete for the KOM, you need 500 Watt for 3 minutes, you need to be 60-65 kg and you need a light bike.

    Or, with an e-bike, you need to be 55-60kg and do 250 Watt for 3 minutes.

    I don't know if there are many folks of that size who happily churn out 250 W over 3 minutes and decide that they need an e-bike...

    There might be a few, but I can't see them on the board... I know who the people at the top are... they win races

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  • 50x1150x11 Posts: 408
    I basically motor paced a Fat e-bike for the last 25km of a ride last week, the guy hardly turned the pedals and on the slight down hill road was averaging ove 25mph, I could hardly hold the wheel after doing 100k myself. It's entirely conceivable to me you could take many KOM's on one. I might rent one from a local shop and see what I can do on some near me.
  • joe2019joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    edited August 2020
    A lady went past me up a 15 minute climb on one the other day.

    The KOM is 12.27 at 368w, she would have only needed 120 watts to have taken it, which she had. Her ride was flagged.
  • david37david37 Posts: 1,313
    davidof said:

    ugo.santalucia said:


    ... and I don't even know if it's that much different from sucking your chaingang wheel to claim a KOM up a railway bridge.



    or my favourite, waiting for a force 10 hurrican to tailwind a kom :-)

    This is legitimate :)
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 28,046
    joe2019 said:

    A lady went past me up a 15 minute climb on one the other day.

    The KOM is 12.27 at 368w, she would have only needed 120 watts to have taken it, which she had. Her ride was flagged.

    Not so simple, these bikes are lumps... at the very least you need an extra 25 Watt to compensate for the extra mass... so if she can do 12 minutes at 150 Watt, what on earth is she doing on an e-bike?

    The moral is that the bike won't do a KOM on its own and if you can do a KOM on an e-bike, then you should think long and hard on why you are riding one...
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  • zest28zest28 Posts: 403
    edited September 2020
    It is super easy to take a KOM on an e-bike.

    I have literally taken KOM’s 1-handed while I am texting on my phone.

    And this is on a full suspension mountain bike which is even slower than regular ebikes.
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