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Covid 19 Mask,s Compulsory for shops thoughts please.

oxomanoxoman Posts: 7,851
At the risk of being moaned at, what are people's thoughts on it being forced to wear a mask to go in shops. Having worked throughout I feel it's against my civil liberties and as a person who seen more than enough stupidity over ppe etc. I agree with common sense distancing and sanitizer etc, but some stuff is OTT. Public transport I agree with as people tend to be packed in together. My personal thoughts are I won't be going in any shop if forced to wear a mask. I don't go in packed shops even before covid as I hate being hemmed in. I believe that we need exposure to germs to build immunity, what do we do when the next virus comes along hide again. My belief is that a lot of people will agree with me and shops as we know them will close and online shopping will go even madder. What are people's thoughts on this or am over reacting. Please note I have seen what this virus does and have lost family to it, although they suffered with underlying issues as well.
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  • coopster_the_1stcoopster_the_1st Posts: 3,763
    I only shop if I need something and right now that is food shops only.

    If I am forced to wear some sort of muzzle while food shopping I will wear a buff, which I know does sweet FA, and I will attempt to cover my mouth and nose with it as lazily as I can, probably pulling down to my chin once I am in the door of the shop. I might even intentionally carry a cycling water bottle with me so that I have to remove the muzzle to take a drink while in the shop and forget to replace it. Lots of ways to disobey the rule.

    This is just a further attempt at keeping the proles scared of C19 and is another complete over-reaction.
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  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 3,898
    A face covering is a no brainer. If it is not compulsory too many people will opt not to, and it's about their effects on other people, not on themselves.

    Regardless of effectiveness it is a visual and psychological reminder that things aren't normal.

    A cloth covering like a buff is fine if doubled or tripled up.

    Wearing a face covering just isn't a big deal.
  • coopster_the_1stcoopster_the_1st Posts: 3,763

    A cloth covering like a buff is fine if doubled or tripled up.

    Why would you do that? I personally will wear it one layer only. Complying with the rule but not really doing enough.

    I'm sure within the first couple of weeks there will be plenty of other ways to get around the rule or make it ineffectual. I will be using these if they are a better non-effective solution than a buff
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  • webboowebboo Posts: 2,390
    You could do the world a favour and wear a plastic bag over your face.
  • coopster_the_1stcoopster_the_1st Posts: 3,763
    We would do much more to combat the virus and improve recovery rates by getting the fatties to lose weight.
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 14,726
    edited 11 July

    I only shop if I need something and right now that is food shops only.

    If I am forced to wear some sort of muzzle while food shopping I will wear a buff, which I know does sweet FA, and I will attempt to cover my mouth and nose with it as lazily as I can, probably pulling down to my chin once I am in the door of the shop. I might even intentionally carry a cycling water bottle with me so that I have to remove the muzzle to take a drink while in the shop and forget to replace it. Lots of ways to disobey the rule.

    This is just a further attempt at keeping the proles scared of C19 and is another complete over-reaction.

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  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 7,851
    Coopster I like your thinking. I have friends that work on the nhs frontline and whilst they adhere to the NHS rules for their safety they believe in herd immunity as the best way forward. A vaccine just hides or defers the issue until the next virus comes along. Personally I think we've got too soft and clean over the years with bathing and central heating.
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  • johngtijohngti Posts: 818
    oxoman said:

    A vaccine just hides or defers the issue until the next virus comes along. Personally I think we've got too soft and clean over the years with bathing and central heating.

    That’d be why smallpox struggled to take hold, of course. All that cleanly and central heating and vaccine development nonsense.
  • coopster_the_1stcoopster_the_1st Posts: 3,763
    oxoman said:

    Coopster I like your thinking. I have friends that work on the nhs frontline and whilst they adhere to the NHS rules for their safety they believe in herd immunity as the best way forward. A vaccine just hides or defers the issue until the next virus comes along. Personally I think we've got too soft and clean over the years with bathing and central heating.

    The population has grown too soft, full stop! It's the root of the problems we have today!

    C19 is just the bellwether of this.
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  • aberdeen_luneaberdeen_lune Posts: 530
    Herd immunity is yet to be proven for COVID. There is no evidence to prove you can’t get COVID again if your reinfected. Also if you are infected and shed the virus onto a vulnerable person in a shop that may kill them. If you wear a face covering it will limit the possibility of spreading the virus in to the air from your mouth or nose.

    But hey you guys go ahead you obviously don’t give a toss.
  • loltorideloltoride Posts: 264
    OXO I have always worn a facemask since lockdown when in a store or queue I think we all have to play our part. My only sister is a junior doctor and we where constantly worried about her and only just recently met for the first time. Answer to one of your questions no I dont think it is against your civil liberties, its all of our jobs to protect each other. Keep Safe
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  • emanresuemanresu Posts: 88
    edited 11 July

    oxoman said:

    Coopster I like your thinking. I have friends that work on the nhs frontline and whilst they adhere to the NHS rules for their safety they believe in herd immunity as the best way forward. A vaccine just hides or defers the issue until the next virus comes along. Personally I think we've got too soft and clean over the years with bathing and central heating.

    The population has grown too soft, full stop! It's the root of the problems we have today!

    C19 is just the bellwether of this.
    This!

    In the good old days nobody died of viruses. All we needed was a stiff upper lip and a cup of bovril, that saw those pesky viruses off
  • lesfirthlesfirth Posts: 1,031
    webboo said:

    You could do the world a favour and wear a plastic bag over your face.

    Well said.
  • coopster_the_1stcoopster_the_1st Posts: 3,763
    webboo said:

    You could do the world a favour and wear a plastic bag over your face.

    The virus lives on plastic for at least 3 days. Unsurprisingly, as one of the stupids you have not thought it through
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  • morstarmorstar Posts: 3,030
    Can this not go in the Covid thread?
  • vegas76vegas76 Posts: 127

    I only shop if I need something and right now that is food shops only.

    If I am forced to wear some sort of muzzle while food shopping I will wear a buff, which I know does sweet FA, and I will attempt to cover my mouth and nose with it as lazily as I can, probably pulling down to my chin once I am in the door of the shop. I might even intentionally carry a cycling water bottle with me so that I have to remove the muzzle to take a drink while in the shop and forget to replace it. Lots of ways to disobey the rule.

    This is just a further attempt at keeping the proles scared of C19 and is another complete over-reaction.

    Prize knob
  • vegas76vegas76 Posts: 127
    lesfirth said:

    webboo said:

    You could do the world a favour and wear a plastic bag over your face.

    Well said.
    Yeah he should seal the bottom tight around his neck as well. Real cnut he is.
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 6,257
    Ignoring the handbags and pouty lip flagging going on ^, here's a real life experience.

    Outpatient clinic at major hospital last week, train and bus to get there, wear the cold weather neck buff. Think once I get to the hospital no doubt they'll ask me to put on one of those blue plastic things as before.

    Nope. Buff as mask is fine, no probs. And as I was getting scans and images I was in close face to face proximity to the health professionals. Ok, this was a specific clinic not an infectious diseases ward, but the professional staff were totally relaxed about my choice of face covering.
  • webboowebboo Posts: 2,390
    I went for my Pneumonia inoculation injection on Thursday. I didn’t need to wear a mask although the nurse doing it was wearing one.
  • me-109me-109 Posts: 1,269
    If it was that critical we should have been doing it four months ago. No point asking people to do this now. There is no statistical evidence that the increase in activity out there has sparked a rise in cases, certainly not to attribute to insufficient mask wearing.
  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 7,851
    I understand wearing masks around the sick and infirm I get that and also if working in someone's face. But given we're not supposed to go out if showing any symptoms and we don't exactly get close in shops through social distancing, I can't see why I should have to. As it is I have to wear gloves, sanitize hands, wear face screens etc at work in a heavy engineering workplace with a small team of engineers and operators. Whatever happened to old fashioned common sense, I know some more people will die as a result of Covid, but surely we have to get back to normal at some stage. Otherwise we might as well live in a hypoallergenic bubble doing nothing. Biggest transmission of the virus after airborne particles is touching things. That's why we sanitize our hands till they crack and bleed.
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,238
    oxoman said:

    I understand wearing masks around the sick and infirm I get that and also if working in someone's face. But given we're not supposed to go out if showing any symptoms and we don't exactly get close in shops through social distancing, I can't see why I should have to.

    There's been some talk of asymptomatic carriers of the virus spreading it, and particularly people being infectious for a couple of days before symptoms show.

    It's really not a big deal, and is the best way of getting back close to normal.
    and then the next thing you know
  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 7,851
    The problem I have is I can go to a pub, cafe, and drink and eat obviously without a mask yet potentially I can't shop without one, doesn't seem right. The next virus that appears then what happens next. OOPS sorry already been identified and named ready. WHO already watching its progress.
    Sorry Stevo, at the rate I'm going with the OH I may end up single as she will end up doing all the shopping again.
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,238
    oxoman said:

    The problem I have is I can go to a pub, cafe, and drink and eat obviously without a mask yet potentially I can't shop without one, doesn't seem right. The next virus that appears then what happens next. OOPS sorry already been identified and named ready. WHO already watching its progress.
    Sorry Stevo, at the rate I'm going with the OH I may end up single as she will end up doing all the shopping again.

    Not disagreeing with you there, it's very inconsistent that pubs and restaurants are open for indoor service. Seems to have been one of the major contributors to the increase in infections that is causing problems in hospitals in the states.
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  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 7,851
    Disagree on that one, pubs only been open a week and the incubation period is 2 wks, for leicester and Birmingham plus some other areas I'd blame mass protest gatherings. I won't name and shame in case I'm accused of incitement of something or other.
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,238
    I wasn't saying it was responsible for any increase in the UK. Because there's not been one yet.

    Just that you are right that it's inconsistent to insist on masks when indoors, but allow pubs and restaurants to carry on regardless.
    and then the next thing you know
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 19,767
    Coming back to UK from Europe has been like going back 2 months in time.

    Like everything else with the UKs handling of the pandemic, it's too little and waaaaaay too late.

    It's been decided because it scored high in the focus groups and nothing else
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  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,378
    Well it's impossible to eat or drink with the mask on so clearly they can't be open and have masks compulsory.

    Where you can easily wear a mask when you're in close contact with other people you should.

    The sooner this is adopted the quicker the virus will go away.

    Morons refusing to wear masks just make it worse for everyone and prolong the damage.

    As to thinking that wearing a mask stops you building up Immunity to a coronavius ? Well it's a new virus so you can't build up Immunity without catching it. And there's a chance you can either die of it, pass it onto a loved one who could die, or you might suffer long term damage.

    Just wear the masks.

    If the Government have any sense they will make it a law but I don't hold out much hope.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 10,238
    It's also another one where he says "if you don't all do this, I'll have to make it mandatory".

    What is the point of having that delay?
    and then the next thing you know
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