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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302

    When are you taking the hacksaw to them?

    I still want to use them... :smiley:
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    itboffin said:

    Shouldn’t need that left shifter either

    That's a bit of a con... most brake only levers weigh the same as a shifter/brake integrated lever
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    More serious point... with modern mitts and gloves with gel pads and grippy bits, do we still need bar tape?
  • shirley_bassoshirley_basso Posts: 3,463
    Maybe I'm lucky but I haven't worn mitts in years and have never needed cushioning bartape for any riding I've done in the UK.

    The last time I wore mitts was RL100 in 2014 in case of an off to stop skin shred
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    Last open before the National today at Tom's Hill in Aldbury, organised by Berkhamstead CC. Big turnout of nearly 100 competitors and a bit of cheer from a few club members at the infamous hairpin before the top. None of the top dogs was there, probably all at Matlock for the double Riber + Bank Road.

    Felt good, despite the cold (9 degrees at 11 AM) and climbed all the way on the big ring with a 21 at the rear. I probably didn't give 100% on the steep section, as I had a bit of gas left to sprint at the top. Overall pleased with the output (374 Watt for the segment, over 2:38 minutes). Currently awaiting results, ranking 25th on Strava, so fingers crossed a very decent finish.


  • shirley_bassoshirley_basso Posts: 3,463
    How much was down to the lack of bartape ;)?
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302

    How much was down to the lack of bartape ;)?

    the equivalent of 80 grams... 0.5 Watt, more or less
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    I managed to get a pair of Kinlin XR 200 rims (380 grams) from Malcolm at The Cycle Clinic and I've knocked them on Bitex rear/Novatec front hubs with laser spokes and gold alloy nipples for a bit of bling. Now. I've got a pair of 1300 grams wheels for the National... :)
  • joe2019joe2019 Posts: 723

    I managed to get a pair of Kinlin XR 200 rims (380 grams) from Malcolm at The Cycle Clinic and I've knocked them on Bitex rear/Novatec front hubs with laser spokes and gold alloy nipples for a bit of bling. Now. I've got a pair of 1300 grams wheels for the National... :)

    That pretty heavy for climbing wheels.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    edited 21 October
    joe2019 said:

    I managed to get a pair of Kinlin XR 200 rims (380 grams) from Malcolm at The Cycle Clinic and I've knocked them on Bitex rear/Novatec front hubs with laser spokes and gold alloy nipples for a bit of bling. Now. I've got a pair of 1300 grams wheels for the National... :)

    That pretty heavy for climbing wheels.
    They are light for clinchers. I don't think you can buy lighter clinchers without spending a fortune.

    On a more general note, I went through your posts and all I read is negativity. If you don't have anything supportive to say, or some first hand experience to share about the sport, then jog on... the cafe' and bottom bracket sections are more your kind of place
  • joe2019joe2019 Posts: 723
    edited 21 October

    joe2019 said:

    I managed to get a pair of Kinlin XR 200 rims (380 grams) from Malcolm at The Cycle Clinic and I've knocked them on Bitex rear/Novatec front hubs with laser spokes and gold alloy nipples for a bit of bling. Now. I've got a pair of 1300 grams wheels for the National... :)

    That pretty heavy for climbing wheels.
    They are light for clinchers.

    I know, but you said on this thread that clinchers were as light, if not lighter, than tubulars, clearly they're not.

    Good luck on Sunday!

  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    I was talking about tyres. A 160 gram tyre + a suspersonic inner is lighter than most race tubulars you can actually buy.

    For the same money I could not have bought a pair of lighter tubular rims... so, given the mega hassle of tubulars, it's a no brainer.

    Besides, I've seen these 900 gram wheels at races... half the times they break a spoke just before the start

    Thanks, it should be a good day...
  • joe2019joe2019 Posts: 723
    Fair enough.

    Personally I enjoy the 'hassle' of tubulars, but I can see why others don't.

    Have a good one... after many years of 'going to do it' I'm looking to enter my first national next year at 56.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    Took the wheels for a spin this morning, I gave them a proper workout and they seem pretty solid... didn't notice any flex at all going uphill at 450 Watt
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    last supper before the nationals

  • shirley_bassoshirley_basso Posts: 3,463
    Very best of luck tomorrow.

    Extra long bathroom break before you head off!
  • Good luck today, that course has very similar elevation data to the first ~0.5 miles of Draycott's New Rd, very easy to set off too hard and struggle to close it out with strong power.
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  • johngtijohngti Posts: 877
    Good luck today - your preparation seems to have been pretty good so fingers crossed for the pay off!
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    Thanks... it was a grand event, with excellent weather.
    I did 3:21.99, which is more or less what I was aiming for and 18 seconds faster than my best up the hill last July. Averaged 367 Watts and tasted blood at the top. No dramas on the day, no punctures for my delicate TT tyres and no problems with my light wheels.
    At the National, being the National, it was only good enough for 183rd in the MEN race, which is separate from the women and the Junior.
    That is 183rd out of 212 on the day, so pretty close to the bottom. But the standard was insane. People I rate as top in the game, who win club event and finish 5-6th in Open events, didn't even get in the top 50. Lockdowns and Tier 3 didn't seem to spoil the event of talent.
    Andrew Feather won in 2:04, with a VAM in excess of 3,000 mt/h... he's had the perfect season and won every race he entered.

    Well, I guess it's curtains for 2020, look forward to the 2021 season already!
  • johngtijohngti Posts: 877
    Nice one. Well done Ugo!
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    edited 26 October
    Now upgraded to 181st out of 213 and 47th among the geriatrics

  • shirley_bassoshirley_basso Posts: 3,463
    Congratulations Ugo. What an experience.

    Next year training starts now, right?
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302

    Congratulations Ugo. What an experience.

    Next year training starts now, right?

    I've just taken the power meter off the bike and fitted my old battered chainset and mudguards... so I'd say no... it's good to take some time off "training", not that my training was very structured, but it's good to ride without aiming at any particular number.
    Goal for next year is getting as close as possible to 6 W/kg on these 3-4 minute climbs. At the moment I am at 5.6-5.7. I need about 25 extra Watts, which might be doable
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 19,719
    Would you try and do that by more climbing or interval training? I started by doing lots and lots of climbing and losing loads of weight which means I’m 4.2 W/kg for an entire ride 2,3 even 4 hours but that’s only because of weight I seriously lack real speed, I’m going to switch to intervals for a few months and eat more, I’d like to give the 2021 hill climbing a bash.
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  • slowmartslowmart Posts: 3,987
    Great thread Ugo and thanks for sharing.

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  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    itboffin said:

    Would you try and do that by more climbing or interval training? I started by doing lots and lots of climbing and losing loads of weight which means I’m 4.2 W/kg for an entire ride 2,3 even 4 hours but that’s only because of weight I seriously lack real speed, I’m going to switch to intervals for a few months and eat more, I’d like to give the 2021 hill climbing a bash.

    If you can ride at that power/weight ratio, I'm sure you'll make the top 100 at next years National... Good luck!

    I guess intervals of some sort are the way to go
  • Not posted on here for some time!

    Good thread Ugo, enjoyed reading it and congrats on your efforts! 6 W/kg could well be feasible based on where you are this year. I've been doing some multi day events last couple of years so distance and intensity has been ramped up which has helped push my power numbers up quite a bit (roughly 15-20% from 1min to 60min). I think doing intervals in isolation helps but only so far, doing intervals of various lengths built into longer rides appears to offer increased power, for me at least.

    Did a bit of a tester around 4 weeks back with some hard efforts on a 2 hr ride and managed 3 intervals of 3min+ at 6.3 W/kg and an 8min effort of 5.1 w/kg with a few other efforts thrown in. That's not really off the back of structured interval training, just lots of consistent riding at fairly 'grippy' intensity!
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 9,033
    Great read, good effort Ugo!
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    I really lucked out with the lockdown (bit of a mouthful)... a few days earlier and the National wouldn't have happened... :D
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 25,302
    Got myself a pair of light forks from Ebay (80 quid, against 250 for something similar in the new market), a used Easton Superlite, at 340 grams including the bungy thingy...
    About 200 grams lighter than my current forks and completely different (10 mm shorter blades and shorter rake)... Surprisingly there is zero difference in handling, as if I never changed it... it goes to show that all this literati stuff about frame angles and tubes lengths is mostly nonsense... a bike is a bike, which is what I always thought. I just about notice the difference between a road bike and a Brompton...


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