Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you
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Firstly, your measurements will only be good enough for pricing. The joiner would need to remeasure the bay window for fabrication. To take SC's example, assuming each shutter is of traditional construction has two panels with a mid rail. Each shutter needs five lengths of frame to be cut and planed to size, with rebates cut to take the panel on one or two sides. Each panel needs to be cut to size, planed and then profiled on all four sides to fit the rebates in the frame. Then there are six mortice and tenon joints to join the frame together. I reckon maybe 3hrs per shutter for basic assembly. Multiply that by 8 and you are at 3 and a bit days work. Add on the painting and you're at a working week before they are fitted.elbowloh said:
No. I said he could knock up the pieces in a day. We did the measuring up. The cutting would take a few hours. They'll only be cutting standard pieces to the right length. the installation cost (itemised on the bill is £180).surrey_commuter said:
you think he could pop over to measure up, leave, buy the materials, make 8 shutters (two hinged) paint them then return and install them in a day?elbowloh said:
But a joiner could probably knock those up in a day, two at the most! The material cost (for the MDF at least) is "immaterial".rjsterry said:
Joinery innit. Labour intensive and highly skilled work. Wait till you see the price of a nice oak staircase.elbowloh said:I'm intrigued at the quote i've just got to install some internal shutters on the front windows of the new house (2 bay windows, one upstairs one down).
£2800 for MDF
£3300 for actual wood ones.
I'm flabbergasted tbh
I've just looked up shutter latch bars and there's a nice brass one for £150. Three hinges per shutter is 24, so that's another £250 for matching brass = £400 on ironmongery.
I'm sure you can shop around and find them a bit cheaper, but I hope that goes some way to explaining how a set of shutters can cost £2-3k.
If it makes you feel better I've just had a quote for £6k to take down 5 sets of large old shutters, fill, sand and spray finish, and rehang1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I had a radiator cover built with a bookcase above, at £2k I thought this was pricey and when he offered to paint them for £200 I refused and did it myself. A few weekends later I was regretting that decision.rjsterry said:
Firstly, your measurements will only be good enough for pricing. The joiner would need to remeasure the bay window for fabrication. To take SC's example, assuming each shutter is of traditional construction has two panels with a mid rail. Each shutter needs five lengths of frame to be cut and planed to size, with rebates cut to take the panel on one or two sides. Each panel needs to be cut to size, planed and then profiled on all four sides to fit the rebates in the frame. Then there are six mortice and tenon joints to join the frame together. I reckon maybe 3hrs per shutter for basic assembly. Multiply that by 8 and you are at 3 and a bit days work. Add on the painting and you're at a working week before they are fitted.elbowloh said:
No. I said he could knock up the pieces in a day. We did the measuring up. The cutting would take a few hours. They'll only be cutting standard pieces to the right length. the installation cost (itemised on the bill is £180).surrey_commuter said:
you think he could pop over to measure up, leave, buy the materials, make 8 shutters (two hinged) paint them then return and install them in a day?elbowloh said:
But a joiner could probably knock those up in a day, two at the most! The material cost (for the MDF at least) is "immaterial".rjsterry said:
Joinery innit. Labour intensive and highly skilled work. Wait till you see the price of a nice oak staircase.elbowloh said:I'm intrigued at the quote i've just got to install some internal shutters on the front windows of the new house (2 bay windows, one upstairs one down).
£2800 for MDF
£3300 for actual wood ones.
I'm flabbergasted tbh
I've just looked up shutter latch bars and there's a nice brass one for £150. Three hinges per shutter is 24, so that's another £250 for matching brass = £400 on ironmongery.
I'm sure you can shop around and find them a bit cheaper, but I hope that goes some way to explaining how a set of shutters can cost £2-3k.
If it makes you feel better I've just had a quote for £6k to take down 5 sets of large old shutters, fill, sand and spray finish, and rehang0 -
Do you want the job or something? You've spent far more time on this than when they did the quote. ;-)rjsterry said:
Firstly, your measurements will only be good enough for pricing. The joiner would need to remeasure the bay window for fabrication. To take SC's example, assuming each shutter is of traditional construction has two panels with a mid rail. Each shutter needs five lengths of frame to be cut and planed to size, with rebates cut to take the panel on one or two sides. Each panel needs to be cut to size, planed and then profiled on all four sides to fit the rebates in the frame. Then there are six mortice and tenon joints to join the frame together. I reckon maybe 3hrs per shutter for basic assembly. Multiply that by 8 and you are at 3 and a bit days work. Add on the painting and you're at a working week before they are fitted.elbowloh said:
No. I said he could knock up the pieces in a day. We did the measuring up. The cutting would take a few hours. They'll only be cutting standard pieces to the right length. the installation cost (itemised on the bill is £180).surrey_commuter said:
you think he could pop over to measure up, leave, buy the materials, make 8 shutters (two hinged) paint them then return and install them in a day?elbowloh said:
But a joiner could probably knock those up in a day, two at the most! The material cost (for the MDF at least) is "immaterial".rjsterry said:
Joinery innit. Labour intensive and highly skilled work. Wait till you see the price of a nice oak staircase.elbowloh said:I'm intrigued at the quote i've just got to install some internal shutters on the front windows of the new house (2 bay windows, one upstairs one down).
£2800 for MDF
£3300 for actual wood ones.
I'm flabbergasted tbh
I've just looked up shutter latch bars and there's a nice brass one for £150. Three hinges per shutter is 24, so that's another £250 for matching brass = £400 on ironmongery.
I'm sure you can shop around and find them a bit cheaper, but I hope that goes some way to explaining how a set of shutters can cost £2-3k.
If it makes you feel better I've just had a quote for £6k to take down 5 sets of large old shutters, fill, sand and spray finish, and rehang0 -
😄 No, thank you. My mortice and tenon joints need a lot more practice before I can charge anyone money for them. It's just something that comes up a lot at work.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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elbowloh said:
I find it intriguing that people come on to the internet seemingly with the sole intention with having an argument with someone.
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how can you make such a sweeping statement?ballysmate said:elbowloh said:I find it intriguing that people come on to the internet seemingly with the sole intention with having an argument with someone.
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I'm intrigued why the BBC keep saying Hamilton made history at the weekend by equalling Schumacher's total of 7 World Championships. How can you make history by doing something someone else did?1
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Haha - you sound like 21 year old me talking about Dr Livingstone (the first person in parts of Africa he certainly wasn’t)Pross said:I'm intrigued why the BBC keep saying Hamilton made history at the weekend by equalling Schumacher's total of 7 World Championships. How can you make history by doing something someone else did?
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I suppose everything that's happened is history, just that most of it is not particularly noteworthy.Pross said:I'm intrigued why the BBC keep saying Hamilton made history at the weekend by equalling Schumacher's total of 7 World Championships. How can you make history by doing something someone else did?
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Wanna argue about it?surrey_commuter said:
how can you make such a sweeping statement?ballysmate said:elbowloh said:I find it intriguing that people come on to the internet seemingly with the sole intention with having an argument with someone.
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Alwaysballysmate said:
Wanna argue about it?surrey_commuter said:
how can you make such a sweeping statement?ballysmate said:elbowloh said:I find it intriguing that people come on to the internet seemingly with the sole intention with having an argument with someone.
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Think I must be in the dog house.
Wife asks if i want lunch*.
I answer in the affirmative.
She goes off and i can hear things going in the oven.
Come down for lunch and she's only made food for herself.
*this is a rare occasion, I do most of the lunches and almost all the dinners in this house.0 -
elbowloh said:
Think I must be in the dog house.
Wife asks if i want lunch*.
I answer in the affirmative.
She goes off and i can hear things going in the oven.
Come down for lunch and she's only made food for herself.
*this is a rare occasion, I do most of the lunches and almost all the dinners in this house.
One of life's mysteries encountered by all married me. "Wtf have I done wrong?"
The usual response is silence or "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you!"0 -
Yes we all enjoy playing the "guess why I'm upset today" game.ballysmate said:elbowloh said:Think I must be in the dog house.
Wife asks if i want lunch*.
I answer in the affirmative.
She goes off and i can hear things going in the oven.
Come down for lunch and she's only made food for herself.
*this is a rare occasion, I do most of the lunches and almost all the dinners in this house.
One of life's mysteries encountered by all married me. "Wtf have I done wrong?"
The usual response is silence or "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you!"0 -
As do I so that would really irk me.elbowloh said:Think I must be in the dog house.
Wife asks if i want lunch*.
I answer in the affirmative.
She goes off and i can hear things going in the oven.
Come down for lunch and she's only made food for herself.
*this is a rare occasion, I do most of the lunches and almost all the dinners in this house.
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Why do Babcock International do the training for MET trainees?
Seems to be something that would be much more effective in-house.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/20/ncsc_nova_south_hq_isc_report/
GCHQ - too cool for Shoreditch lol0 -
Why do we say "Breathe in!" to make ourselves smaller? Breathing in can only make us larger...0
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Most people breathe incorrectly when they think about doing it. They inhale to the upper lungs which pulls the stomach in. Works for your example but is poor technique.briantrumpet said:Why do we say "Breathe in!" to make ourselves smaller? Breathing in can only make us larger...
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
Most people breathe incorrectly when they think about doing it. They inhale to the upper lungs which pulls the stomach in. Works for your example but is poor technique.briantrumpet said:Why do we say "Breathe in!" to make ourselves smaller? Breathing in can only make us larger...
All true (as a trumpeter, this is part of my training), but you must still be bigger overall. But it shows how ingrained this expression is, as the more accurate "Breathe out!" would sound silly.0 -
The art of applying mastic without the need to smooth it with your finger.0
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I remember one of my few experiences of proper caving: Long Churn, with the infamous cheesepress.briantrumpet said:Why do we say "Breathe in!" to make ourselves smaller? Breathing in can only make us larger...
(that's not me, he looks distinctly thinner
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I have a particularly deep barrel chest, and the cheesepress was a nightmare: I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I've had to fight so hard not to panic. After wriggling into the tightest bit, I found that I literally couldn't breathe in. I could only make progress by breathing right out, taking a series of tiny breaths, breathing out again and moving another few inches.
TLDR: yes, I know.2 -
Why is there a sudden surge of new posters on here with a string of random letters and numbers after their names? I know the obvious answer but their first posts seem sensible. It may be like a cloned credit card though where there's a small purchase first to ensure everything works properly.0
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I once did a cave in Mendip that was like a vertical version of the cheese press with lots of right angle corners to a dead end. I was leading and gave up before the end (mainly due to complaints from behind). It was that tight you had to take your belt off or the battery would get caught and your arms didn't have the movement to free it). It was a bastard to turn round but I thought at least it wouldn't be any worse going back and theoretically easier as the passage would be slowly widening. I was wrong - the geometry was all different wrt my body and it was worse. At one point I chipped a front tooth turning my head round because the passage wasn't quite wide enough for my skull. Every inch something caught on something - it was somewhere you had to concentrate hard on being rational or get into a panic. The rest of the group noted that I was unusually sweary!bompington said:
I have a particularly deep barrel chest, and the cheesepress was a nightmare: I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I've had to fight so hard not to panic. After wriggling into the tightest bit, I found that I literally couldn't breathe in. I could only make progress by breathing right out, taking a series of tiny breaths, breathing out again and moving another few inches.briantrumpet said:Why do we say "Breathe in!" to make ourselves smaller? Breathing in can only make us larger...
TLDR: yes, I know.
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I went potholing in scouts once and we had to go into a deadend tunnel that was so low you had to take your helmet off and push it in front. There was then a section where the tunnel widened (but didn't get any higher) just enough that you could twist around and crawl back out. I was stupidly skinny back then although I've always had wide shoulders so my fear was that they would get stuck. I don't know how the adults managed it. I can't recall being overly scared at the time but when I think back on it now I get a bit panicked for some reason.
I'm a bit odd with heights too. On that same scout trip we did rock climbing on what was quite a low, and probably very simple, cliff and I froze half way up but I was quite happy abseiling on the same cliff and have done higher. I have also jumped from cliffs up to around 15m high but get in a bit of a panic climbing a ladder to clear the guttering on our house. I think I could quite easily do the parachute element of the Paras training but would freeze on that scaffolding thing they have to walk / run around, my fear there is falling on the bars and smashing by shins (or worse!) rather than actually falling off.0 -
I managed to get my self stuck in a cave for about 90 mins. In a passage that you had to shuffle along on one side horizontally. I got the fastener for the crutch strap on my wetsuit jammed as it started to descend slightly. One of the other guys in the party managed to get his hand under my leg and rip my suit, I then slid out. Only problem was I had to go through where I got stuck. Fortunately it was easier going back.0
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I think it might be that rather tan create a username they just sign in with bookFace or something and the computergenerates a name for them. Not sure why I think that other than seeing it somewhere but not really paying attention because it's very boring.Pross said:Why is there a sudden surge of new posters on here with a string of random letters and numbers after their names? I know the obvious answer but their first posts seem sensible. It may be like a cloned credit card though where there's a small purchase first to ensure everything works properly.
WRT caving or potholing, sodthatforagameofsoldiers.0 -
This caving sounds great fun.0
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