Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,564

    morstar said:

    Afghanistan.
    After decades of foreign involvement from both east then west, a military vacuum leaves the place to descend into unrest.

    Who will be the next to get sucked in? And what has been achieved in the last 20 years?

    The lesson of history is that no one conquers Afghanistan. I read that in a guidebook prior to the US led invasion.
    What was the logic for invading Iraq and Afghanistan?
    The US-Afghan extradition treaty wasn't up to scratch, so war was the chosen outcome.

    The US needed to invade somewhere else and Saudia Arabia wasn't a good option. Iraq was chosen on the basis of it being a recent sparing partner and its leader wasn't very nice.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,564
    There are several trabel related things that intrigue me about Afghanistan.

    How it was ever peaceful enough to get its place on the hippy trail.

    Why so many (relative measure) travellers want to go there based purely on out dated stories from washed up hippies?

    Why, despite hearing many stories about it actually being a bit dull, people like me are still intrigued by the place? By way of example, I've not met many people going to great lengths to visit Iraq.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,568

    morstar said:

    Afghanistan.
    After decades of foreign involvement from both east then west, a military vacuum leaves the place to descend into unrest.

    Who will be the next to get sucked in? And what has been achieved in the last 20 years?

    The lesson of history is that no one conquers Afghanistan. I read that in a guidebook prior to the US led invasion.
    What was the logic for invading Iraq and Afghanistan?
    The US-Afghan extradition treaty wasn't up to scratch, so war was the chosen outcome.

    The US needed to invade somewhere else and Saudia Arabia wasn't a good option. Iraq was chosen on the basis of it being a recent sparing partner and its leader wasn't very nice.
    Forgive me for having to try hard to find the logic there.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,568

    There are several trabel related things that intrigue me about Afghanistan.

    How it was ever peaceful enough to get its place on the hippy trail.

    Why so many (relative measure) travellers want to go there based purely on out dated stories from washed up hippies?

    Why, despite hearing many stories about it actually being a bit dull, people like me are still intrigued by the place? By way of example, I've not met many people going to great lengths to visit Iraq.

    I didn’t know it was on the hippy trail?!
  • morstar said:

    Afghanistan.
    After decades of foreign involvement from both east then west, a military vacuum leaves the place to descend into unrest.

    Who will be the next to get sucked in? And what has been achieved in the last 20 years?

    The lesson of history is that no one conquers Afghanistan. I read that in a guidebook prior to the US led invasion.
    Churchill is often claimed to have said the three golden rules of warfare you should never forget are;
    Never invade Afghanistan
    Never invade Russia
    Never invade Afghanistan
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,564

    There are several trabel related things that intrigue me about Afghanistan.

    How it was ever peaceful enough to get its place on the hippy trail.

    Why so many (relative measure) travellers want to go there based purely on out dated stories from washed up hippies?

    Why, despite hearing many stories about it actually being a bit dull, people like me are still intrigued by the place? By way of example, I've not met many people going to great lengths to visit Iraq.

    I didn’t know it was on the hippy trail?!
    Was full of cafes selling mountains of cannibis very cheaply, so the tales go.


  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,564

    morstar said:

    Afghanistan.
    After decades of foreign involvement from both east then west, a military vacuum leaves the place to descend into unrest.

    Who will be the next to get sucked in? And what has been achieved in the last 20 years?

    The lesson of history is that no one conquers Afghanistan. I read that in a guidebook prior to the US led invasion.
    What was the logic for invading Iraq and Afghanistan?
    The US-Afghan extradition treaty wasn't up to scratch, so war was the chosen outcome.

    The US needed to invade somewhere else and Saudia Arabia wasn't a good option. Iraq was chosen on the basis of it being a recent sparing partner and its leader wasn't very nice.
    Forgive me for having to try hard to find the logic there.
    I would have thought my response very much implied that logic was lacking.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,564
    edited August 2021

    morstar said:

    Afghanistan.
    After decades of foreign involvement from both east then west, a military vacuum leaves the place to descend into unrest.

    Who will be the next to get sucked in? And what has been achieved in the last 20 years?

    The lesson of history is that no one conquers Afghanistan. I read that in a guidebook prior to the US led invasion.
    Churchill is often claimed to have said the three golden rules of warfare you should never forget are;
    Never invade Afghanistan
    Never invade Russia
    Never invade Afghanistan
    I hadn't heard that, but it's amusing and hard to argue against. Amazing that the US and UK managed to break two of the golden rules.

    Anyone who has read war and peace will appreciate the other.
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  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,728
    womack said:

    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.

    Makes more sense than $1000 cycling shoes to me.
    But then if you can afford it then knock yourself out.

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,568
    womack said:

    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.

    See it as a powerful computer you can hold in your pocket which also takes calls
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566

    womack said:

    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.

    See it as a powerful computer you can hold in your pocket which also takes calls

    Yeah but, have you tried reading things on a phone like on a PC, constant moving side to side, the two finger enlargement that runs out of pixels, not convinced, sorry.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,568
    womack said:

    womack said:

    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.

    See it as a powerful computer you can hold in your pocket which also takes calls

    Yeah but, have you tried reading things on a phone like on a PC, constant moving side to side, the two finger enlargement that runs out of pixels, not convinced, sorry.

    You don’t need to be sorry.

    Do you regularly take your pc or laptop out whilst standing or out and a out for a quick browse?

  • womack
    womack Posts: 566

    womack said:

    womack said:

    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.

    See it as a powerful computer you can hold in your pocket which also takes calls

    Yeah but, have you tried reading things on a phone like on a PC, constant moving side to side, the two finger enlargement that runs out of pixels, not convinced, sorry.

    You don’t need to be sorry.

    Do you regularly take your pc or laptop out whilst standing or out and a out for a quick browse?


    No I don't and I do realise the portable advantage of a phone over a PC but still can't get my head around why someone would want to pay North of a grand for an item that lets be honest is not really user friendly.

  • Wheelspinner
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    womack said:

    womack said:

    womack said:

    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.

    See it as a powerful computer you can hold in your pocket which also takes calls

    Yeah but, have you tried reading things on a phone like on a PC, constant moving side to side, the two finger enlargement that runs out of pixels, not convinced, sorry.

    You don’t need to be sorry.

    Do you regularly take your pc or laptop out whilst standing or out and a out for a quick browse?


    No I don't and I do realise the portable advantage of a phone over a PC but still can't get my head around why someone would want to pay North of a grand for an item that lets be honest is not really user friendly.

    Seriously? Take a short step back and just think again what that "phone" in your pocket can do.

    Talk to people 20,000 km away in an instant, even with video
    Send/receive messaging to same
    Take surprisingly high quality photos and exceptional video, edit and send same instantly to wherever and whoever you want
    Help manage your banking, your wallet, your travel passes, your dating life, your health and fitness, and a thousand other things with a swipe or a wave.
    Let you watch movies, TV, or listen to any piece of music you want, any time, anywhere.

    All in a little gadget that fits in your (deep) pocket.

    If you don't find them astonishingly capable and user-friendly I'd suggest the problem is the User, not the device. :)

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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 17,857

    womack said:

    womack said:

    womack said:

    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.

    See it as a powerful computer you can hold in your pocket which also takes calls

    Yeah but, have you tried reading things on a phone like on a PC, constant moving side to side, the two finger enlargement that runs out of pixels, not convinced, sorry.

    You don’t need to be sorry.

    Do you regularly take your pc or laptop out whilst standing or out and a out for a quick browse?


    No I don't and I do realise the portable advantage of a phone over a PC but still can't get my head around why someone would want to pay North of a grand for an item that lets be honest is not really user friendly.

    Seriously? Take a short step back and just think again what that "phone" in your pocket can do.

    Talk to people 20,000 km away in an instant, even with video
    Send/receive messaging to same
    Take surprisingly high quality photos and exceptional video, edit and send same instantly to wherever and whoever you want
    Help manage your banking, your wallet, your travel passes, your dating life, your health and fitness, and a thousand other things with a swipe or a wave.
    Let you watch movies, TV, or listen to any piece of music you want, any time, anywhere.

    All in a little gadget that fits in your (deep) pocket.

    If you don't find them astonishingly capable and user-friendly I'd suggest the problem is the User, not the device. :)


    They are remarkable, but I can do all of that with a £140 phone. Well, the photo and video bit might be compromised, but then I use a £200 camera with 30x optical zoom and fantastic image stabilisation for for photos bit. And I've still got £660 left over.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,568
    If you’re anything like me there’s also the fact you stare at it for a decent proportion of the day.

  • womack
    womack Posts: 566

    womack said:

    womack said:

    womack said:

    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.

    See it as a powerful computer you can hold in your pocket which also takes calls

    Yeah but, have you tried reading things on a phone like on a PC, constant moving side to side, the two finger enlargement that runs out of pixels, not convinced, sorry.

    You don’t need to be sorry.

    Do you regularly take your pc or laptop out whilst standing or out and a out for a quick browse?


    No I don't and I do realise the portable advantage of a phone over a PC but still can't get my head around why someone would want to pay North of a grand for an item that lets be honest is not really user friendly.

    Seriously? Take a short step back and just think again what that "phone" in your pocket can do.

    Talk to people 20,000 km away in an instant, even with video
    Send/receive messaging to same
    Take surprisingly high quality photos and exceptional video, edit and send same instantly to wherever and whoever you want
    Help manage your banking, your wallet, your travel passes, your dating life, your health and fitness, and a thousand other things with a swipe or a wave.
    Let you watch movies, TV, or listen to any piece of music you want, any time, anywhere.

    All in a little gadget that fits in your (deep) pocket.

    If you don't find them astonishingly capable and user-friendly I'd suggest the problem is the User, not the device. :)


    They are remarkable, but I can do all of that with a £140 phone. Well, the photo and video bit might be compromised, but then I use a £200 camera with 30x optical zoom and fantastic image stabilisation for for photos bit. And I've still got £660 left over.

    Thank you Brian, that is exactly the point I was aiming at. My phone was circa £160 and does all the above and to a quality which is adequate for me.

    I would still add though that for example trying to read a bank statement on a mobile where you are constantly having to move from side to side to see all the data is not user friendly. On a PC it is all there in one screen shot.

    The same thing with pdf's, you can't read one comfortably without constantly moving the page or as stated doing the two finger enlargement.

    I regularly read this magazine on the PC. I defy even the most avid phone person to say it is user friendly to read on a phone.

    https://www.eastalgarvemag.com/tablet/index.php
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,568
    UX problem for your magazine innit
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 7,202
    You can project the phones screen onto a monitor or TV screen which can be useful.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 7,202
    edited August 2021
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  • womack
    womack Posts: 566

    You can project the phones screen onto a monitor or TV screen which can be useful.

    So you may as well just read it on a PC then 😀
  • You can project the phones screen onto a monitor or TV screen which can be useful.

    It amazes me that so few people have a Chromecast
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 7,202
    Yes to all.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,564
    It amazes me how little choice there is in phones in comparison to cars. They all look the same, two operating systems, two big manufacturers etc. I'd still like physical keys, but that is very hard to get.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,471

    It amazes me how little choice there is in phones in comparison to cars. They all look the same, two operating systems, two big manufacturers etc. I'd still like physical keys, but that is very hard to get.

    I think the market has just fixed itself hasn't it? iPhone became so dominant on the move to smartphones and the others had to design something that looked similar in order to compete. Prior to that there was quite a lot of different designs.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 51,317
    edited August 2021
    pinno said:

    womack said:

    womack said:

    womack said:

    womack said:

    Why anybody would pay over £1000 for a mobile phone, it's just beyond my comprehension.

    See it as a powerful computer you can hold in your pocket which also takes calls

    Yeah but, have you tried reading things on a phone like on a PC, constant moving side to side, the two finger enlargement that runs out of pixels, not convinced, sorry.

    You don’t need to be sorry.

    Do you regularly take your pc or laptop out whilst standing or out and a out for a quick browse?


    No I don't and I do realise the portable advantage of a phone over a PC but still can't get my head around why someone would want to pay North of a grand for an item that lets be honest is not really user friendly.

    Seriously? Take a short step back and just think again what that "phone" in your pocket can do.

    Talk to people 20,000 km away in an instant, even with video
    Send/receive messaging to same
    Take surprisingly high quality photos and exceptional video, edit and send same instantly to wherever and whoever you want
    Help manage your banking, your wallet, your travel passes, your dating life, your health and fitness, and a thousand other things with a swipe or a wave.
    Let you watch movies, TV, or listen to any piece of music you want, any time, anywhere.

    All in a little gadget that fits in your (deep) pocket.

    If you don't find them astonishingly capable and user-friendly I'd suggest the problem is the User, not the device. :)


    They are remarkable, but I can do all of that with a £140 phone.
    I have a Nokia 2.2 with Android. Does most of what the expensive one's do for... £69.
    Up here in Jockland, on the few occasions that I stand at a bus stop, I might actually talk to someone (remember that?), rather than 'have a quick browse'.

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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 14,622

    It amazes me how little choice there is in phones in comparison to cars. They all look the same, two operating systems, two big manufacturers etc. I'd still like physical keys, but that is very hard to get.

    That's like saying there is more choice in restaurants than cars. Totally irrelevant.

    There is exactly the same amount of choice with phones that there is with PC operating systems. Or with processors. Or viable national political parties. Admittedly there is way more choice of gender these days, but it didn't used to be the case.

    You get my point.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,564

    It amazes me how little choice there is in phones in comparison to cars. They all look the same, two operating systems, two big manufacturers etc. I'd still like physical keys, but that is very hard to get.

    That's like saying there is more choice in restaurants than cars. Totally irrelevant.

    There is exactly the same amount of choice with phones that there is with PC operating systems. Or with processors. Or viable national political parties. Admittedly there is way more choice of gender these days, but it didn't used to be the case.

    You get my point.
    I understand the lack of choice in operating systems as that is driven by access to apps, but I do think there could be more choice in phones for the reason I noted - I would like a keyboard.