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  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,773
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    There was a nice clip of Buzz Aldrin on the radio this morning, saying that we should be a little ashamed that we had made so little progress on space exploration in 50 years.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • robert88robert88 Posts: 2,696
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    There was a nice clip of Buzz Aldrin on the radio this morning, saying that we should be a little ashamed that we had made so little progress on space exploration in 50 years.

    He's right - that's pretty small beer in comparison to other things we should be ashamed of.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,773
    Robert88 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    There was a nice clip of Buzz Aldrin on the radio this morning, saying that we should be a little ashamed that we had made so little progress on space exploration in 50 years.

    He's right - that's pretty small beer in comparison to other things we should be ashamed of.

    I think the social benefits of projects like Apollo, in terms of inspiring and uniting people, are underestimated.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,629
    Pinno wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    It raises another question, how do you 3D print using titanium?.
    Grind it into a powder, sprinkle in the right place then blast with a laser to melt&fuse it together.

    Quite easy then. :roll:

    It's justified to produce such a complex piece of mechanical engineering as a jockey wheel though.
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    rjsterry wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    There was a nice clip of Buzz Aldrin on the radio this morning, saying that we should be a little ashamed that we had made so little progress on space exploration in 50 years.

    He's right - that's pretty small beer in comparison to other things we should be ashamed of.

    I think the social benefits of projects like Apollo, in terms of inspiring and uniting people, are underestimated.

    Yeah, akin to Cern.
  • pinnopinno Posts: 42,797
    HaydenM wrote:
    ... Porsche

    (Entry level) super car performance at a fraction of the price.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,836
    Pinno wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    ... Porsche

    (Entry level) super car performance at a fraction of the price.
    But who is 'menoporschal' enough to actually get one? :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pinnopinno Posts: 42,797
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    ... Porsche

    (Entry level) super car performance at a fraction of the price.
    But who is 'menoporschal' enough to actually get one? :)

    Haven't you got work to do?!
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,836
    Pinno wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    ... Porsche

    (Entry level) super car performance at a fraction of the price.
    But who is 'menoporschal' enough to actually get one? :)

    Haven't you got work to do?!
    I am allowed a lunch break you know...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    There is something satisfying about seeing a Tesla annihilate a super car in a straight line drag race.
  • haydenmhaydenm Posts: 2,934
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    ... Porsche

    (Entry level) super car performance at a fraction of the price.
    But who is 'menoporschal' enough to actually get one? :)

    Again, you old guys can fight among yourselves. I'm hoping I'll get something fast before I get to middle age so I can avoid the dreadful social stigma of having nice things once you reach 40... :wink:
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,836
    HaydenM wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    ... Porsche

    (Entry level) super car performance at a fraction of the price.
    But who is 'menoporschal' enough to actually get one? :)

    Again, you old guys can fight among yourselves. I'm hoping I'll get something fast before I get to middle age so I can avoid the dreadful social stigma of having nice things once you reach 40... :wink:
    Unfortunately for Pinno, he'd need a time machine to do that :P

    Mind you, may be worth you coming along to our next Gretna meet.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • haydenmhaydenm Posts: 2,934
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    ... Porsche

    (Entry level) super car performance at a fraction of the price.
    But who is 'menoporschal' enough to actually get one? :)

    Again, you old guys can fight among yourselves. I'm hoping I'll get something fast before I get to middle age so I can avoid the dreadful social stigma of having nice things once you reach 40... :wink:
    Unfortunately for Pinno, he'd need a time machine to do that :P

    Mind you, may be worth you coming along to our next Gretna meet.

    Unfortunately I'm already getting married next year, no need for a quick wedding in the meantime...
  • pinnopinno Posts: 42,797
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:
    ... Porsche

    (Entry level) super car performance at a fraction of the price.
    But who is 'menoporschal' enough to actually get one? :)

    Again, you old guys can fight among yourselves. I'm hoping I'll get something fast before I get to middle age so I can avoid the dreadful social stigma of having nice things once you reach 40... :wink:
    Unfortunately for Pinno, he'd need a time machine to do that :P

    I have got there before reaching 50.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • chris_basschris_bass Posts: 4,913
    rjsterry wrote:
    The perennial attraction of conspiracy theories.

    wasn't there a thread for them once? I miss Manc33
    www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes
  • mrfpbmrfpb Posts: 4,542
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    .
    Annual spend on Apollo was approx 1/10th annual spend on the Vietnam War which was happening at the same time.
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    mrfpb wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    .
    Annual spend on Apollo was approx 1/10th annual spend on the Vietnam War which was happening at the same time.

    That's a good stat which brings it into perspective.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 20,773
    Well that's thoroughly depressing. Can we get back to space exploration?
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • verylonglegsverylonglegs Posts: 3,641
    FocusZing wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    .
    Annual spend on Apollo was approx 1/10th annual spend on the Vietnam War which was happening at the same time.

    That's a good stat which brings it into perspective.

    It is also worth considering what the spend on the Apollo program returned post misson, as an unintentional investment for want of a better phrase. I can't remember the exact figures off the top of my head but the point is that you had a program that recruited thousands of engineers and scientists and challenged them to up their game significantly to achieve a goal...this in turn led to a hugely experienced and knowledgeable workforce that the US economy benefited from massively in the years after.
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    FocusZing wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    .
    Annual spend on Apollo was approx 1/10th annual spend on the Vietnam War which was happening at the same time.

    That's a good stat which brings it into perspective.

    It is also worth considering what the spend on the Apollo program returned post misson, as an unintentional investment for want of a better phrase. I can't remember the exact figures off the top of my head but the point is that you had a program that recruited thousands of engineers and scientists and challenged them to up their game significantly to achieve a goal...this in turn led to a hugely experienced and knowledgeable workforce that the US economy benefited from massively in the years after.

    Yeah, very true. It must have created a real hub of great talent.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 14,605
    FocusZing wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    .
    Annual spend on Apollo was approx 1/10th annual spend on the Vietnam War which was happening at the same time.

    That's a good stat which brings it into perspective.

    Another way of looking at it is that it cost 4% of GDP to put a man on the moon and ten times as much each year to fight the Vietnam war which means that the Yanks spent 40% of their GDP annually which accounts for the equivalent of their entire tax take which means they were running a 44% deficit each year so they went bankrupt in about 1968 and had to fake the moon landings.

    Or it took $168bn to put a man on the moon and $25bn a year to fight the American War, as it is known in Vietnam
  • awaveyawavey Posts: 2,368
    FocusZing wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    .
    Annual spend on Apollo was approx 1/10th annual spend on the Vietnam War which was happening at the same time.

    That's a good stat which brings it into perspective.

    Another way of looking at it is that it cost 4% of GDP to put a man on the moon and ten times as much each year to fight the Vietnam war which means that the Yanks spent 40% of their GDP annually which accounts for the equivalent of their entire tax take which means they were running a 44% deficit each year so they went bankrupt in about 1968 and had to fake the moon landings.

    Or it took $168bn to put a man on the moon and $25bn a year to fight the American War, as it is known in Vietnam

    Apollo cost $25bn, Vietnam cost $168bn
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    https://youtu.be/goh2x_G0ct4

    wasn't popular amongst all strata of society......

    #dissent
    #blaxploitation
    #havethingschangedatall?
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,846
    awavey wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    .
    Annual spend on Apollo was approx 1/10th annual spend on the Vietnam War which was happening at the same time.

    That's a good stat which brings it into perspective.

    Another way of looking at it is that it cost 4% of GDP to put a man on the moon and ten times as much each year to fight the Vietnam war which means that the Yanks spent 40% of their GDP annually which accounts for the equivalent of their entire tax take which means they were running a 44% deficit each year so they went bankrupt in about 1968 and had to fake the moon landings.

    Or it took $168bn to put a man on the moon and $25bn a year to fight the American War, as it is known in Vietnam

    Apollo cost $25bn, Vietnam cost $168bn
    And they only won one of them.
    Just shows that money does not always buy success.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    PBlakeney wrote:
    awavey wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    .
    Annual spend on Apollo was approx 1/10th annual spend on the Vietnam War which was happening at the same time.

    That's a good stat which brings it into perspective.

    Another way of looking at it is that it cost 4% of GDP to put a man on the moon and ten times as much each year to fight the Vietnam war which means that the Yanks spent 40% of their GDP annually which accounts for the equivalent of their entire tax take which means they were running a 44% deficit each year so they went bankrupt in about 1968 and had to fake the moon landings.

    Or it took $168bn to put a man on the moon and $25bn a year to fight the American War, as it is known in Vietnam

    Apollo cost $25bn, Vietnam cost $168bn
    And they only won one of them.
    Just shows that money does not always buy success.

    they won both in the end ........

    #capitalism
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 46,836
    they won both in the end ........

    #capitalism
    Don't go around upsetting Cake Stoppers like that :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,846
    #capitalism
    #SocialistRepublicofVietnam.

    #justsayin
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 14,605
    awavey wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Apollo15LunarRover.jpg-

    Did the Americans really send a buggy to the Moon and clanger it about? How did they fit that in the pod space thing?

    They didn't, it was delivered by USPS and left in a safe place.

    I do find it incredible how in effect that's what SpaceX have managed to do now.

    Fifty years ago, it is an incredible achievement and shows what can be done with enough ambition and money. A good set of programmes on BBC Four at the moment.

    IIRC, the Apollo program consumed 4% of US GDP, so yes, a LOT of money.

    .
    Annual spend on Apollo was approx 1/10th annual spend on the Vietnam War which was happening at the same time.

    That's a good stat which brings it into perspective.

    Another way of looking at it is that it cost 4% of GDP to put a man on the moon and ten times as much each year to fight the Vietnam war which means that the Yanks spent 40% of their GDP annually which accounts for the equivalent of their entire tax take which means they were running a 44% deficit each year so they went bankrupt in about 1968 and had to fake the moon landings.

    Or it took $168bn to put a man on the moon and $25bn a year to fight the American War, as it is known in Vietnam

    Apollo cost $25bn, Vietnam cost $168bn

    Not sure what your point is but the Apollo cost is annual.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    PBlakeney wrote:
    #capitalism
    #SocialistRepublicofVietnam.

    #justsayin

    if you were there to see the transition from a Communist state to what it is today, you'd see exactly what i mean.

    #fascistcapitalists
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
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