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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 36,386
    Robert88 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    They're not sold, they're hired out. PCP innit. It's how the gammon can 'afford' their Audis.
    True, I'm sure quite a lot of people do that.

    Out of interest, how do lefties afford cars?

    Interest-free credit, I guess.

    That's the system. Cash is like a slap in the face to car dealers. As like as not you'd get reported to the authorities if you tried it with anything more than a piddling amount, say over £10k.

    Even bank transfers have to be explained these days.
    The limit for cash payments to be reported is only €10k before the money laundering regs kick in. but TBH it's probably not that common these days unless you're buying an old banger.

    Bank transfers are reportable as you say but it's not often that we get quizzed on this sort of thing - the onus is usually on the bank to supply the info. I'll see what happens next month.

    I would have thought that lefties usually buy cars the same way that gammons do, just the amounts involved will probably be less on average :)
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 36,386
    Robert88 wrote:
    How to make a small fortune.

    1. start off with a large fortune
    2. vote for David Cameron's party
    Out of interest, which party would you vote for if you had a large fortune and wanted to make it larger?
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,292
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    You've 'just mentioned' it in three separate threads that I can remember, but don't stop on my account. I look forward to the next update. :)
    Keeping count are we? Hmmm. A bit stalkerish but don't stop on my account :wink:

    Another post-it note and length of coloured string added to the wall... :)

    Here are the results from the latest YouGov survey of Conservative party members and their views.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... xit_w1.pdf

    There's an irony in a party of Brexiters being led by a Remainer and the main opposition being a party of Remainers led by a Brexiter.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 36,386
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    You've 'just mentioned' it in three separate threads that I can remember, but don't stop on my account. I look forward to the next update. :)
    Keeping count are we? Hmmm. A bit stalkerish but don't stop on my account :wink:

    Another post-it note and length of coloured string added to the wall... :)

    Here are the results from the latest YouGov survey of Conservative party members and their views.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... xit_w1.pdf

    There's an irony in a party of Brexiters being led by a Remainer and the main opposition being a party of Remainers led by a Brexiter.
    Like Labour, there seems to be a big disconnect between the party members and the people who vote for them. Btw I saw nothing similar for the Lib Dems: did they not get a large enough sample of party members to make it statistically valid?
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,292
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    You've 'just mentioned' it in three separate threads that I can remember, but don't stop on my account. I look forward to the next update. :)
    Keeping count are we? Hmmm. A bit stalkerish but don't stop on my account :wink:

    Another post-it note and length of coloured string added to the wall... :)

    Here are the results from the latest YouGov survey of Conservative party members and their views.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... xit_w1.pdf

    There's an irony in a party of Brexiters being led by a Remainer and the main opposition being a party of Remainers led by a Brexiter.
    Like Labour, there seems to be a big disconnect between the party members and the people who vote for them. Btw I saw nothing similar for the Lib Dems: did they not get a large enough sample of party members to make it statistically valid?

    Here's the same survey alongside Labour and LibDem members.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... exit_w.pdf

    Membership numbers are interesting.

    https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk ... ry/SN05125
    As of April 2018, Labour had 540,000 members, compared to just under 125,500 SNP members as of August 2018, and 124,000 Conservative members reported in March 2018. As of August 2018, The Liberal Democrats had 99,200, Green Party 39,400, UKIP 23,600 and Plaid Cymru 8,000 members

    LibDems and Conservative party members are both outnumbered by SNP members. Don't know where SC got that 50,000 from.
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  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,449
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    You've 'just mentioned' it in three separate threads that I can remember, but don't stop on my account. I look forward to the next update. :)
    Keeping count are we? Hmmm. A bit stalkerish but don't stop on my account :wink:

    Another post-it note and length of coloured string added to the wall... :)

    Here are the results from the latest YouGov survey of Conservative party members and their views.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... xit_w1.pdf

    There's an irony in a party of Brexiters being led by a Remainer and the main opposition being a party of Remainers led by a Brexiter.
    Like Labour, there seems to be a big disconnect between the party members and the people who vote for them. Btw I saw nothing similar for the Lib Dems: did they not get a large enough sample of party members to make it statistically valid?

    Here's the same survey alongside Labour and LibDem members.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... exit_w.pdf

    Membership numbers are interesting.

    https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk ... ry/SN05125
    As of April 2018, Labour had 540,000 members, compared to just under 125,500 SNP members as of August 2018, and 124,000 Conservative members reported in March 2018. As of August 2018, The Liberal Democrats had 99,200, Green Party 39,400, UKIP 23,600 and Plaid Cymru 8,000 members

    LibDems and Conservative party members are both outnumbered by SNP members. Don't know where SC got that 50,000 from.


    People have looked at the income from membership and extrapolated that the real number is much lower, possibly even 70,000.

    50,000 is all you would need to seize control
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 36,386
    People have looked at the income from membership and extrapolated that the real number is much lower, possibly even 70,000.

    50,000 is all you would need to seize control
    Have you joined yet?
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  • thegreatdividethegreatdivide Posts: 4,954
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    They're not sold, they're hired out. PCP innit. It's how the gammon can 'afford' their Audis.
    True, I'm sure quite a lot of people do that.

    Out of interest, how do lefties afford cars?

    It's possible to be financially comfortable and left leaning. I'm lucky enough to have never needed credit to buy new cars. A steady royalty payment helps.
    #f*ckwit
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 36,386
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    They're not sold, they're hired out. PCP innit. It's how the gammon can 'afford' their Audis.
    True, I'm sure quite a lot of people do that.

    Out of interest, how do lefties afford cars?

    It's possible to be financially comfortable and left leaning. I'm lucky enough to have never needed credit to buy new cars. A steady royalty payment helps.
    Possible, but there is a clear correlation between being less well off and voting Labour (and conversely, being financially successful and voting Conservative):
    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/to-explain-voting-intentions-income-is-more-important-for-the-conservatives-than-for-labour/
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,292
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    You've 'just mentioned' it in three separate threads that I can remember, but don't stop on my account. I look forward to the next update. :)
    Keeping count are we? Hmmm. A bit stalkerish but don't stop on my account :wink:

    Another post-it note and length of coloured string added to the wall... :)

    Here are the results from the latest YouGov survey of Conservative party members and their views.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... xit_w1.pdf

    There's an irony in a party of Brexiters being led by a Remainer and the main opposition being a party of Remainers led by a Brexiter.
    Like Labour, there seems to be a big disconnect between the party members and the people who vote for them. Btw I saw nothing similar for the Lib Dems: did they not get a large enough sample of party members to make it statistically valid?

    Here's the same survey alongside Labour and LibDem members.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... exit_w.pdf

    Membership numbers are interesting.

    https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk ... ry/SN05125
    As of April 2018, Labour had 540,000 members, compared to just under 125,500 SNP members as of August 2018, and 124,000 Conservative members reported in March 2018. As of August 2018, The Liberal Democrats had 99,200, Green Party 39,400, UKIP 23,600 and Plaid Cymru 8,000 members

    LibDems and Conservative party members are both outnumbered by SNP members. Don't know where SC got that 50,000 from.


    People have looked at the income from membership and extrapolated that the real number is much lower, possibly even 70,000.

    50,000 is all you would need to seize control
    Except that the party is not controlled by the membership. Especially after they have seen what that idea has done to Labour.
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  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,449
    rjsterry wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    You've 'just mentioned' it in three separate threads that I can remember, but don't stop on my account. I look forward to the next update. :)
    Keeping count are we? Hmmm. A bit stalkerish but don't stop on my account :wink:

    Another post-it note and length of coloured string added to the wall... :)

    Here are the results from the latest YouGov survey of Conservative party members and their views.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... xit_w1.pdf

    There's an irony in a party of Brexiters being led by a Remainer and the main opposition being a party of Remainers led by a Brexiter.
    Like Labour, there seems to be a big disconnect between the party members and the people who vote for them. Btw I saw nothing similar for the Lib Dems: did they not get a large enough sample of party members to make it statistically valid?

    Here's the same survey alongside Labour and LibDem members.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... exit_w.pdf

    Membership numbers are interesting.

    https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk ... ry/SN05125
    As of April 2018, Labour had 540,000 members, compared to just under 125,500 SNP members as of August 2018, and 124,000 Conservative members reported in March 2018. As of August 2018, The Liberal Democrats had 99,200, Green Party 39,400, UKIP 23,600 and Plaid Cymru 8,000 members

    LibDems and Conservative party members are both outnumbered by SNP members. Don't know where SC got that 50,000 from.


    People have looked at the income from membership and extrapolated that the real number is much lower, possibly even 70,000.

    50,000 is all you would need to seize control
    Except that the party is not controlled by the membership. Especially after they have seen what that idea has done to Labour.

    Have not read up on their rules and regs but could you not deselect your MP (Grayling) and select a candidate of your choice.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,449
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    People have looked at the income from membership and extrapolated that the real number is much lower, possibly even 70,000.

    50,000 is all you would need to seize control
    Have you joined yet?

    I was going to do it on the train.

    What are the meetings and things like? Is there pressure to stuff envelopes?
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 36,386
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    People have looked at the income from membership and extrapolated that the real number is much lower, possibly even 70,000.

    50,000 is all you would need to seize control
    Have you joined yet?

    I was going to do it on the train.

    What are the meetings and things like? Is there pressure to stuff envelopes?
    I haven't joined the party - I don't have enough time to get involved with doing things like that. I have contributed financially though.
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,292
    rjsterry wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Well you do put it out there by bragging about your new car ;)
    It's a bit leftie if you think that just mentioning buying a new car is boasting, there's over 2 million sold a year in the UK. Anyhow, I think he deserved it given his chippy attitude :)

    You've 'just mentioned' it in three separate threads that I can remember, but don't stop on my account. I look forward to the next update. :)
    Keeping count are we? Hmmm. A bit stalkerish but don't stop on my account :wink:

    Another post-it note and length of coloured string added to the wall... :)

    Here are the results from the latest YouGov survey of Conservative party members and their views.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... xit_w1.pdf

    There's an irony in a party of Brexiters being led by a Remainer and the main opposition being a party of Remainers led by a Brexiter.
    Like Labour, there seems to be a big disconnect between the party members and the people who vote for them. Btw I saw nothing similar for the Lib Dems: did they not get a large enough sample of party members to make it statistically valid?

    Here's the same survey alongside Labour and LibDem members.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... exit_w.pdf

    Membership numbers are interesting.

    https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk ... ry/SN05125
    As of April 2018, Labour had 540,000 members, compared to just under 125,500 SNP members as of August 2018, and 124,000 Conservative members reported in March 2018. As of August 2018, The Liberal Democrats had 99,200, Green Party 39,400, UKIP 23,600 and Plaid Cymru 8,000 members

    LibDems and Conservative party members are both outnumbered by SNP members. Don't know where SC got that 50,000 from.


    People have looked at the income from membership and extrapolated that the real number is much lower, possibly even 70,000.

    50,000 is all you would need to seize control
    Except that the party is not controlled by the membership. Especially after they have seen what that idea has done to Labour.

    Have not read up on their rules and regs but could you not deselect your MP (Grayling) and select a candidate of your choice.

    Not sure how selection works, but I would imagine that you would need a GE unless the MP voluntarily steps down. You'd need to find a convincing alternative as well.

    That is still a long way from changing the direction of the party. Maybe you should move to Maidenhead.

    Some further info on the membership numbers.

    https://www.conservativehome.com/parlia ... -fast.html
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,292
    For SC:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... eselection

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... ct-tory-mp

    https://www.conservativehome.com/platfo ... ur-mp.html

    You're going to need to put in a fair bit of effort and a lot of money to achieve your goal, but I wish you success. I have no idea how he remains a minister other than as a useful distraction when one is needed.
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  • Robert88Robert88 Posts: 2,722
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    How to make a small fortune.

    1. start off with a large fortune
    2. vote for David Cameron's party
    Out of interest, which party would you vote for if you had a large fortune and wanted to make it larger?

    In reality it would make no difference.

    As it happens I am trying to guess the low point although with yields over 6% ..
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 36,386
    Robert88 wrote:
    As it happens I am trying to guess the low point although with yields over 6% ..
    As ever, a tricky call. The uncertainty may well last for a while but it depends to what extent this is already priced in.
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  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,449
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    As it happens I am trying to guess the low point although with yields over 6% ..
    As ever, a tricky call. The uncertainty may well last for a while but it depends to what extent this is already priced in.

    Many experts argue that trying to buy and sell on cycles is a fools errand as you should be holding shares as part of a long term strategy.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 43,841 Lives Here
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    As it happens I am trying to guess the low point although with yields over 6% ..
    As ever, a tricky call. The uncertainty may well last for a while but it depends to what extent this is already priced in.

    Many experts argue that trying to buy and sell on cycles is a fools errand as you should be holding shares as part of a long term strategy.

    I can find you a Japanese equities PM who’s fired his sales guy because he kept saying that if you want.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,449
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    As it happens I am trying to guess the low point although with yields over 6% ..
    As ever, a tricky call. The uncertainty may well last for a while but it depends to what extent this is already priced in.

    Many experts argue that trying to buy and sell on cycles is a fools errand as you should be holding shares as part of a long term strategy.

    I can find you a Japanese equities PM who’s fired his sales guy because he kept saying that if you want.

    And I am sure you can find an equal number of examples to prove the opposite.

    My point is that on paper it is a no-brained but in reality is virtually impossible.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 43,841 Lives Here
    No it’s more Japanese equities have not reached their late ‘90s high since, and long term equity investors therefore have not done so well there.

    If you want clues to where the rest of the Western economies are going, Japan usually has some clues.
  • TheBlueBeanTheBlueBean Posts: 8,264
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    As it happens I am trying to guess the low point although with yields over 6% ..
    As ever, a tricky call. The uncertainty may well last for a while but it depends to what extent this is already priced in.

    Many experts argue that trying to buy and sell on cycles is a fools errand as you should be holding shares as part of a long term strategy.

    That is certainly Mr Buffet's view.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,449
    No it’s more Japanese equities have not reached their late ‘90s high since, and long term equity investors therefore have not done so well there.

    If you want clues to where the rest of the Western economies are going, Japan usually has some clues.

    do you have some examples?
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 43,841 Lives Here
    No it’s more Japanese equities have not reached their late ‘90s high since, and long term equity investors therefore have not done so well there.

    If you want clues to where the rest of the Western economies are going, Japan usually has some clues.

    do you have some examples?

    So broadly speaking their bubble burst, subsequent lost decade, demographics, stagnant wages with a tight labour market, sluggish inflation, are all things Japan has experienced 10 years earlier than Europe.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,449
    No it’s more Japanese equities have not reached their late ‘90s high since, and long term equity investors therefore have not done so well there.

    If you want clues to where the rest of the Western economies are going, Japan usually has some clues.

    do you have some examples?

    So broadly speaking their bubble burst, subsequent lost decade, demographics, stagnant wages with a tight labour market, sluggish inflation, are all things Japan has experienced 10 years earlier than Europe.

    not something I know a whole lot about but that does look a little too simplistic. Didn't Japan's troubles start in about 1990 so way more than a lost decade and surely most of their problems stem from the fall in working population with no way out?
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 7,383

    not something I know a whole lot about but that does look a little too simplistic. Didn't Japan's troubles start in about 1990 so way more than a lost decade and surely most of their problems stem from the fall in working population with no way out?

    Doesn't that sound familiar?
    and then the next thing you know
  • Rolf FRolf F Posts: 16,126

    not something I know a whole lot about but that does look a little too simplistic. Didn't Japan's troubles start in about 1990 so way more than a lost decade and surely most of their problems stem from the fall in working population with no way out?

    Doesn't that sound familiar?

    Difference is is that the Japanese haven't got a Europe to blame for all their problems..... But then nor will we soon.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 36,386
    Rolf F wrote:

    not something I know a whole lot about but that does look a little too simplistic. Didn't Japan's troubles start in about 1990 so way more than a lost decade and surely most of their problems stem from the fall in working population with no way out?

    Doesn't that sound familiar?

    Difference is is that the Japanese haven't got a Europe to blame for all their problems..... But then nor will we soon.
    Why, where is it going?
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  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,449

    not something I know a whole lot about but that does look a little too simplistic. Didn't Japan's troubles start in about 1990 so way more than a lost decade and surely most of their problems stem from the fall in working population with no way out?

    Doesn't that sound familiar?

    our working age population is forecast to carry on growing.

    IMHO our post GFC performance is not long enough to call as a new normal when it might well be a blip in response to exceptional circumstances.

    I also think that historically there are stronger trends coming from the USA than Japan which is a very different economy with very different issues.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 7,383

    not something I know a whole lot about but that does look a little too simplistic. Didn't Japan's troubles start in about 1990 so way more than a lost decade and surely most of their problems stem from the fall in working population with no way out?

    Doesn't that sound familiar?

    our working age population is forecast to carry on growing.

    IMHO our post GFC performance is not long enough to call as a new normal when it might well be a blip in response to exceptional circumstances.

    I also think that historically there are stronger trends coming from the USA than Japan which is a very different economy with very different issues.

    Is that true as a percentage?
    and then the next thing you know
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