Fat Britain - getting bigger..

haydenm

bompington wrote:

Recommendation for the "really, they should just be more disciplined like me" brigade:

read The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt.

A lot of evidence and explanation to show that far less of our decisions are made from pure rationality than we like to think.
Yes, including you and me.

I'm a bit amazed at how many people here - most of whom, I suspect, would identify as far less right wing than me - are happy to assume that the things that tend to typify poor people's behaviour are due to their being intellectually and/or morally defective.

I think I started the bit about poorer people and to be clear, I'm definitely not saying poor people are too stupid to eat healthily. The prevalence of obesity (and smoking) is higher in low income families and I was saying it's more than just about money. Public health campaigns are about education/knowledge and social/cultural change. To suggest a lack of knowledge about nutrition isn't to say they have a low level of education or are mentally deficient

crispybug2

my grandad's bike wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

We're all going to Rotherham...

Should be a Macc Lads song title that.

I believe that it’s Sweaty Betty’s home Town

slowbike

bompington wrote:

Recommendation for the "really, they should just be more disciplined like me" brigade:

read The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt.

A lot of evidence and explanation to show that far less of our decisions are made from pure rationality than we like to think.
Yes, including you and me.

I'm a bit amazed at how many people here - most of whom, I suspect, would identify as far less right wing than me - are happy to assume that the things that tend to typify poor people's behaviour are due to their being intellectually and/or morally defective.

There are lots of rich fat people too ...

There are just lots of fat people.

I could do with reducing the middle a bit - I'm not poor (nor rich) and not uneducated. I ride a fair bit but I'm easily tempted by cake. I will do it ... next week ....

and that's someone who wants to lose the weight so he can ride up hills faster ... what hope those who see little benefit to losing weight.

photonic69

This. Every day. Every town....

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/hea ... 0225106588

DeVlaeminck

rjsterry wrote:

No I don't agree that 'self control' - whatever the hell that is - is the main problem. You are approaching this as though people make a rational decision to smoke or eat badly. The craving for nicotine, alcohol, sugar or any other drug is not rational.
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On an individual level I think self control or self discipline is the answer. If I want to lose weight I need to deny myself certain things that I like, I need to stop myself eating at certain times when I was.

On a societal level though saying we all need to show greater self control gets us nowhere. I don't know what the solution is without restricting what people eat. Education may he a part of that but I suspect most overweight people are in sufficient possession of the facts - it's less controversial to suggest education though than pricing people out of eating x or y or actually limiting what ingredients go in our food.

BelgianBeerGeek

Price em out of eating. Re-reading the original BBC article, the main beef was about too many takeaways. Cheeky cunt. And some of them proudly trade with 0 or 1 on the council scale. Barstools.
Too many fat bar sets around. Price it to booooogery. That won’t get a Labour guvmit in.

arthur_scrimshaw

Slowbike wrote:

bompington wrote:

Recommendation for the "really, they should just be more disciplined like me" brigade:

read The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt.

A lot of evidence and explanation to show that far less of our decisions are made from pure rationality than we like to think.
Yes, including you and me.

I'm a bit amazed at how many people here - most of whom, I suspect, would identify as far less right wing than me - are happy to assume that the things that tend to typify poor people's behaviour are due to their being intellectually and/or morally defective.

There are lots of rich fat people too ...

There are just lots of fat people.

I could do with reducing the middle a bit - I'm not poor (nor rich) and not uneducated. I ride a fair bit but I'm easily tempted by cake. I will do it ... next week ....

and that's someone who wants to lose the weight so he can ride up hills faster ... what hope those who see little benefit to losing weight.

I think that's it essentially, all people in the UK can get fat and maybe until the health problems about being overweight start coming home to roost like they did with smoking it just won't sink in with the majority. The damage caused by smoking must have been around for at least 100 years before the tide turned and (at least in the UK) the Government worked out it was probably cheaper and better for the health of the nation to undertake a massive drive to warn people of the dangers? Maybe the two graph lines of taxation income vs cost of dealing with smoking related health issues finally met? But then I don't see the same drive on alcohol - which has massive social as well as health implications (just ask the Police or frontline NHS workers) In the end it's about social acceptance or otherwise.

robert88

Really it is fashionable to eat stuff, all the time, everywhere.

e.g.Take a mid-afternoon flight lasting no more than 90 minutes. Almost the entire plane load are ordering food and drink off the trolley having spent far eye-watering amounts in the terminal buying food and drink before they board. At destination they will recover from their journey with a large evening meal at home or hotel. If you ain't eatin', you ain't livin'©.

thistle_

Anyone else had the advert at the bottom of the page saying "are your jeans too tight? you're probably eating/drinking too much"

drlodge

Around my area, "normal" shops are closing down and in their place are...takeaways and Undertakers. I wonder if there's a correlation.

arthur_scrimshaw

drlodge wrote:

Around my area, "normal" shops are closing down and in their place are...takeaways and Undertakers. I wonder if there's a correlation.

It’s just the new supply chain.

stanislav

crispybug2 wrote:

my grandad's bike wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

We're all going to Rotherham...

Should be a Macc Lads song title that.

I believe that it’s Sweaty Betty’s home Town

Fat Bastard sung to Blockbuster brings a few laughs

Stevo_666

stanislav wrote:

crispybug2 wrote:

my grandad's bike wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

We're all going to Rotherham...

Should be a Macc Lads song title that.

I believe that it’s Sweaty Betty’s home Town

Fat Bastard sung to Blockbuster brings a few laughs

Classic. Up there with The Monkees cover 'Eh up we're the Macc Lads'.

stanislav

Stevo 666 wrote:

stanislav wrote:

crispybug2 wrote:

my grandad's bike wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

We're all going to Rotherham...

Should be a Macc Lads song title that.

I believe that it’s Sweaty Betty’s home Town

Fat Bastard sung to Blockbuster brings a few laughs

Classic. Up there with The Monkees cover 'Eh up we're the Macc Lads'.

Back on tour at the moment,got tickets for the upcoming Newcastle gig. Catch them while you can before pc brigade try to ban their ilk.

robert88

stanislav wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

stanislav wrote:

crispybug2 wrote:

my grandad's bike wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

We're all going to Rotherham...

Should be a Macc Lads song title that.

I believe that it’s Sweaty Betty’s home Town

Fat Bastard sung to Blockbuster brings a few laughs

Classic. Up there with The Monkees cover 'Eh up we're the Macc Lads'.

Back on tour at the moment,got tickets for the upcoming Newcastle gig. Catch them while you can before pc brigade try to ban their ilk.

Why is it un-PC? Or should that be PInc?

Anyway, get a load of this:



Yeeuck..

Stevo_666

stanislav wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

stanislav wrote:

crispybug2 wrote:

my grandad's bike wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

We're all going to Rotherham...

Should be a Macc Lads song title that.

I believe that it’s Sweaty Betty’s home Town

Fat Bastard sung to Blockbuster brings a few laughs

Classic. Up there with The Monkees cover 'Eh up we're the Macc Lads'.

Back on tour at the moment,got tickets for the upcoming Newcastle gig. Catch them while you can before pc brigade try to ban their ilk.

I'm seeing them next month in Islington. Surprised they weren't banned in the 90's

Maybe the PC brigade should Google some of their songs...

robert88

Stevo 666 wrote:

..

Maybe the PC brigade should Google some of their songs...

Social realism mate. Don't let it worry you. Sh1t happens.

Here we come, Muttley, Nobby, Stez Styx
We drink Bollington's bitter, and we smoke No6
Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we're not fucking queer
We like pulling fit crack and supping lots of beer

Fucking Gudnt!
Fucking Gudnt!
Fucking Gudnt!
Fucking Gudnt!

Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we go down the pub
When the ale's down our necks, we go and get some grub
We like chips 'n' gravy, nowt'll take its place
Don't you fuck with the Macc Lads
Or we'll arrange your fucking face

Here we come, feeling fucking sore
Got us money last Friday and pissed it up the wall
Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we're not fucking queer
We like pulling fit crack and supping lots of beer
We like chips 'n' gravy, nowt'll take its place
Don't you fuck with the Macc Lads
Or we'll arrange your fucking face
Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we go down the pub
When the ale's down our necks, we go and get some grub

BelgianBeerGeek

I don’t think the Macc Lads were banned per se, it was just that most venues wouldn’t have them. Or have them back.
Dunno why...

Stevo_666

Robert88 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

..

Maybe the PC brigade should Google some of their songs...

Social realism mate. Don't let it worry you. Sh1t happens.

Here we come, Muttley, Nobby, Stez Styx
We drink Bollington's bitter, and we smoke No6
Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we're not ******* queer
We like pulling fit crack and supping lots of beer

******* Gudnt!
******* Gudnt!
******* Gudnt!
******* Gudnt!

Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we go down the pub
When the ale's down our necks, we go and get some grub
We like chips 'n' gravy, nowt'll take its place
Don't you fark with the Macc Lads
Or we'll arrange your ******* face

Here we come, feeling ******* sore
Got us money last Friday and pissed it up the wall
Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we're not ******* queer
We like pulling fit crack and supping lots of beer
We like chips 'n' gravy, nowt'll take its place
Don't you fark with the Macc Lads
Or we'll arrange your ******* face
Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we go down the pub
When the ale's down our necks, we go and get some grub

I see you took my tip and googled them

robert88

Stevo 666 wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

..

Maybe the PC brigade should Google some of their songs...

Social realism mate. Don't let it worry you. Sh1t happens.

Here we come, Muttley, Nobby, Stez Styx
We drink Bollington's bitter, and we smoke No6
Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we're not ******* queer
We like pulling fit crack and supping lots of beer

******* Gudnt!
******* Gudnt!
******* Gudnt!
******* Gudnt!

Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we go down the pub
When the ale's down our necks, we go and get some grub
We like chips 'n' gravy, nowt'll take its place
Don't you fark with the Macc Lads
Or we'll arrange your ******* face

Here we come, feeling ******* sore
Got us money last Friday and pissed it up the wall
Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we're not ******* queer
We like pulling fit crack and supping lots of beer
We like chips 'n' gravy, nowt'll take its place
Don't you fark with the Macc Lads
Or we'll arrange your ******* face
Eh up! We're the Macc Lads, we go down the pub
When the ale's down our necks, we go and get some grub

I see you took my tip and googled them

sniper68

I was born and bred in Rotherham but moved to Sheffield in 1992(aged 24).I had a walk around Rotherham Town centre a couple of years ago after not being there for almost 25 years.I couldn't believe the amount of "mobility" scooters with young(ish) fat people on them Not surprised by the article at all :roll:
RE the MaccLads.Saw them loads back in the 80s/90s.They did "play" the Arts Centre Assembly rooms in Rotherham back in 86(IIRC) but the gig was stopped after they let off all the foam fire extinguishers Their reputation did preceded them back then

Stevo_666

Sniper68 wrote:

RE the MaccLads.Saw them loads back in the 80s/90s.They did "play" the Arts Centre Assembly rooms in Rotherham back in 86(IIRC) but the gig was stopped after they let off all the foam fire extinguishers Their reputation did preceded them back then

Sounds like Sweatty Betty fits the Rotherham profile
https://youtu.be/F-n_eqW1qoM

thistle_

Arthur Scrimshaw wrote:

drlodge wrote:

Around my area, "normal" shops are closing down and in their place are...takeaways and Undertakers. I wonder if there's a correlation.

It’s just the new supply chain.

Circular economy and all that.

robert88

thistle (MBNW) wrote:

Arthur Scrimshaw wrote:

drlodge wrote:

Around my area, "normal" shops are closing down and in their place are...takeaways and Undertakers. I wonder if there's a correlation.

It’s just the new supply chain.

Circular economy and all that.

We are going all global.

ballysmate

Sniper68 wrote:

I was born and bred in Rotherham but moved to Sheffield in 1992(aged 24).I had a walk around Rotherham Town centre a couple of years ago after not being there for almost 25 years.I couldn't believe the amount of "mobility" scooters with young(ish) fat people on them Not surprised by the article at all :roll:
RE the MaccLads.Saw them loads back in the 80s/90s.They did "play" the Arts Centre Assembly rooms in Rotherham back in 86(IIRC) but the gig was stopped after they let off all the foam fire extinguishers Their reputation did preceded them back then

Mobility scooters used to be the preserve of the elderly and disabled who had genuine difficulty in getting about. Now they are the transport of choice for those who can't be arsed to walk.

morstar

Ballysmate wrote:

Sniper68 wrote:

I was born and bred in Rotherham but moved to Sheffield in 1992(aged 24).I had a walk around Rotherham Town centre a couple of years ago after not being there for almost 25 years.I couldn't believe the amount of "mobility" scooters with young(ish) fat people on them Not surprised by the article at all :roll:
RE the MaccLads.Saw them loads back in the 80s/90s.They did "play" the Arts Centre Assembly rooms in Rotherham back in 86(IIRC) but the gig was stopped after they let off all the foam fire extinguishers Their reputation did preceded them back then

Mobility scooters used to be the preserve of the elderly and disabled who had genuine difficulty in getting about. Now they are the transport of choice for those who can't be arsed to walk.

I'm inclined to agree but...
Is it that much different to driving a Chelsea tractor on a trip around the corner?
Arguably it's just cheap transport.
But I do think if you watch Wall-e, it's surprising how close the personal mobility aspect is to the truth.

rolf_f

morstar wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Sniper68 wrote:

I was born and bred in Rotherham but moved to Sheffield in 1992(aged 24).I had a walk around Rotherham Town centre a couple of years ago after not being there for almost 25 years.I couldn't believe the amount of "mobility" scooters with young(ish) fat people on them Not surprised by the article at all :roll:
RE the MaccLads.Saw them loads back in the 80s/90s.They did "play" the Arts Centre Assembly rooms in Rotherham back in 86(IIRC) but the gig was stopped after they let off all the foam fire extinguishers Their reputation did preceded them back then

Mobility scooters used to be the preserve of the elderly and disabled who had genuine difficulty in getting about. Now they are the transport of choice for those who can't be arsed to walk.

I'm inclined to agree but...
Is it that much different to driving a Chelsea tractor on a trip around the corner?
Arguably it's just cheap transport.

Is one woeful transport choice a justification for another? And, it isn't cheap transport. Mobility scooters cost a fortune compared to walking which costs next to nothing.

morstar

Rolf F wrote:

morstar wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Sniper68 wrote:

I was born and bred in Rotherham but moved to Sheffield in 1992(aged 24).I had a walk around Rotherham Town centre a couple of years ago after not being there for almost 25 years.I couldn't believe the amount of "mobility" scooters with young(ish) fat people on them Not surprised by the article at all :roll:
RE the MaccLads.Saw them loads back in the 80s/90s.They did "play" the Arts Centre Assembly rooms in Rotherham back in 86(IIRC) but the gig was stopped after they let off all the foam fire extinguishers Their reputation did preceded them back then

Mobility scooters used to be the preserve of the elderly and disabled who had genuine difficulty in getting about. Now they are the transport of choice for those who can't be arsed to walk.

I'm inclined to agree but...
Is it that much different to driving a Chelsea tractor on a trip around the corner?
Arguably it's just cheap transport.

Is one woeful transport choice a justification for another? And, it isn't cheap transport. Mobility scooters cost a fortune compared to walking which costs next to nothing.

Agreed that two wrongs don't make a right. But I'd wager as a society the affluent owner of a range rover who is equally lazy to their poorer equivalent is less likely to be judged as harshly.
Also, I think for some of these people, the mobility scooter is becoming their main transportation. It's not in addition to a car. It is their equivalent of a car. Not as versatile but has the advantage for the lazy that when you get to your destination, you don't need to park it and get off.
Honestly, how many people have driven a mile to their local shops in the car? I have and it's only a 15 minute walk. If the scooter is my main form of transport, how is that mile journey any worse than the car trip.
Doesn't change the fact it's lazy. But maybe need to be careful about judging.

slowbike

morstar wrote:

Honestly, how many people have driven a mile to their local shops in the car? I have and it's only a 15 minute walk. If the scooter is my main form of transport, how is that mile journey any worse than the car trip.
Doesn't change the fact it's lazy. But maybe need to be careful about judging.

seemingly all to often we have to pop out for milk. It's just over a mile each way. I've never walked it (it's not a particularly pleasant walk) but I do aim to ride it if I have time - fact is - it's still quicker to jump in the car - there's no traffic or parking issues to be concerned with - it takes longer to ride there, plus I need to take a lock and then I have the "complication" of carrying my purchase(s) back. Add on to that , that it's usually when we're pressed for time in getting other jobs done.

Of course jumping in the car is lazy - but there could be a very good reason for doing it (or I could just be being lazy - having already ridden long and/or hard that day and not wanting to do any more)

robert88

I believe a certain world famous golfer uses the golf buggy instead of walking.