Better palmares 3: Cancellara vs. Boonen

m.r.m.
m.r.m. Posts: 3,481
edited November 2017 in Pro race
Hugely busy week for me, but thought I'd leave this here. Apologies as always for my laziness for not linking procycling stats. :wink:

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  • graeme_s-2
    graeme_s-2 Posts: 3,382
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,259
    Too close to call really. I think Cancellara probably gets the nod though. On just classics I would favour Boonen.
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Surely all those Tour of Qatar GC wins give it to Boonen...
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Boonen just.

    Unless you think World TT champs are worth counting.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,259
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Boonen just.

    Unless you think World TT champs are worth counting.
    They are. As are the two Olympic gold medals.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    But they're TTs.

    That's what, a third of an RR?
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,259
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    But they're TTs.

    That's what, a third of an RR?
    Which would give him a third of a World Championship more than Boonen.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,451
    What value do we place on days in Yellow.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,451
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Boonen just.

    I think you'll have to show your workings.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,259
    TailWindHome wrote:
    What value do we place on days in Yellow.
    Not a lot. They were just a by-product of winning the prologue. There wasn’t a lot of defending required,
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  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,336
    Has Cancellara anything on his palmares that can compete with Boonen's lucrative range of meat product endorsements?

    boonenmeat.jpg

    I think not.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,708
    Boonen's retirement has been so much classier than Canc's who has - let's be honest - been a bit of a pr1ck about it...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Boonen.

    3 RvV
    4PR
    1 Worlds RR

    (so 7 Classics, 1 worlds).

    1 Green Jersey

    17 semi classics.

    6 TdF stages.

    Total GT stages: 14
    Total 1 day races: 42
    Total pro Wins: 117




    Cancellera
    1MSR
    3 RvR
    3PR

    (so 7 classics, no worlds - Boonen on top here).

    0 TdF jerseys taken to paris (Boonen on top here).

    6 semi classics (Boonen on top here)

    7 TdF Stages (1 more than Boonen)


    Total GT Stages: 21 (plenty more than boonen)
    Total 1 day races: 35 ( considerably less than boonen).
    Total Pro wins: 77 ( loads less than Boonen).

    Stuff he's won boonen hasn't.

    4 worlds TTs.
    2 Olympics TTs.


    So Boonen is considerably more prolific a winner overall, in one day races, has won more top top tier one day races.

    Boonen isn't a TTer.

    But that's my workings.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,107
    Pretty much equal for me, loathe as I am to count TTs I suppose I have to but Boonen's classic count is well ahead. Cancellara is the better TTer but Boonen is the better road racer.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,259
    underlayunderlay wrote:
    Has Cancellara anything on his palmares that can compete with Boonen's lucrative range of meat product endorsements?

    boonenmeat.jpg

    I think not.
    He did have 'Monument' - A Fragrance by Fabian Cancellara

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ2RAxV7HNw





    (It was an April Fool's joke)
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,451
    You'd have to say that Cancellara's MSR that sprinter Boonen never won is worth more than Boonen's 4th PR

    And 4 World TT titles must be worth more than 1 World RR title

    And while he didn't take a jersey to Paris, 29 days in yellow (more than Fignon, Lemond or Contador) must be worth more than 1 novelty jersey

    And 7 more GT stages must be worth more than some Belgian chippers Fabian watched on TV

    And 1 Tirreno Adriatico and 1 Tour De Suisse must be worth more than 4 Qatars?

    And 2 Olympics

    And Tom is bald.
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    Pretty much equal for me, loathe as I am to count TTs I suppose I have to but Boonen's classic count is well ahead. Cancellara is the better TTer but Boonen is the better road racer.

    This.

    Although as I like Tom better, he gets my vote.
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  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Boonen.

    3 RvV
    4PR
    1 Worlds RR

    (so 7 Classics, 1 worlds).

    1 Green Jersey

    17 semi classics.

    6 TdF stages.

    Total GT stages: 14
    Total 1 day races: 42
    Total pro Wins: 117




    Cancellera
    1MSR
    3 RvR
    3PR

    (so 7 classics, no worlds - Boonen on top here).

    0 TdF jerseys taken to paris (Boonen on top here).

    6 semi classics (Boonen on top here)

    7 TdF Stages (1 more than Boonen)


    Total GT Stages: 21 (plenty more than boonen)
    Total 1 day races: 35 ( considerably less than boonen).
    Total Pro wins: 77 ( loads less than Boonen).

    Stuff he's won boonen hasn't.

    4 worlds TTs.
    2 Olympics TTs.


    So Boonen is considerably more prolific a winner overall, in one day races, has won more top top tier one day races.

    Boonen isn't a TTer.

    But that's my workings.

    Isn't it "monuments" and "classics", rather than "classics" and "semi-classics"? Omloop, Gent-Wevelgem etc are bona-fide classics, no semi about them (Ride London etc there might be more of a debate about...)
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  • joey54321
    joey54321 Posts: 1,297
    BigMat wrote:

    Isn't it "monuments" and "classics", rather than "classics" and "semi-classics"? Omloop, Gent-Wevelgem etc are bona-fide classics, no semi about them (Ride London etc there might be more of a debate about...)


    Monument > Classic > Semi class > 3/4 race

    I may have skipped a couple out.

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