Cycling is a weak sport
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I'm going to pose it this way.....
Sport the average bloke could WIN against a pro:
-golf
I grew up playing golf from age 5. I competed some in youth but not as an adult. As an adult I've teed it up from the pro tees on courses the pro's play and put up a round that would "make it to the weekend" rounds. I'm decent, but I'm no superstar. One good round from me for a day and one bad round from the pro and you could win.
Pros put up level par or +1 on a bad day all the time. I've put up the same on the same course from the same tees before.
Do the same for a bike? Hell no. The hobbyist could not hang the same like that.0 -
He's now called boswell and something and being a muppet again on the forums.0
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Could a lot more people be competitive pro cyclists? yes, with training and conditioning. It's widely reckoned that a sustained 7W/Kg would see you competing for G.C. in a grand tour. However, as with most things, having the mental fortitude to be able and willing to put the hours in, to get your condition and fitness to that level, and sustain it, well that's a whole 'nother thing.0
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burnthesheep wrote:I'm going to pose it this way.....
Sport the average bloke could WIN against a pro:
-golf
I grew up playing golf from age 5. I competed some in youth but not as an adult. As an adult I've teed it up from the pro tees on courses the pro's play and put up a round that would "make it to the weekend" rounds. I'm decent, but I'm no superstar. One good round from me for a day and one bad round from the pro and you could win.
Pros put up level par or +1 on a bad day all the time. I've put up the same on the same course from the same tees before.
Do the same for a bike? Hell no. The hobbyist could not hang the same like that.
Well that isn't going to happen is it. You may be a decent weekend hacker, but in order to compete against the pro officially, you're going to have to be selected on the pro tour. That's a sustained elimination process of hundreds of club professionals and wannabees with the top runners getting the nod for the pro tour. One decent round over a weekend isn't going to cut it when regular worst rounds of +1/+2 are required just to get through to the final phase of selection. In reality you're going to be achieving par or better every round during the selection process. A pro may have a bad day and you could better him, but the same can be said for a pro in any sport where the physical skill of the individual is the predominant factor in success.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
Assuming this is the same person, all you need to know about him is that he's called Jay on this: https://www.strava.com/activities/709113892cougie wrote:He's now called boswell and something and being a muppet again on the forums.0 -
philthy3 wrote:Well that isn't going to happen is it.
Oh contraire. Pros maintain their card but oft are not in that "top 150" to be automatically selected for invitation to a tournament. Even then a % of spots are left "open". This isn't for only the US Open or The Open. It's for the Greater Greensboro Open, the Phoenix Open, etc....
By your logic stealing a Strava segment "from a pro" would not count as beating a pro in any way. I think there's a few people that would pick an argument on that one.
Have a handicap under X, get your club pro to sign off on you, sign up, win. You're qualifying against pros. It's MORE than that for the US Open, way more. It's several qualifying rounds at different locations if it is a prestigious tourney.
Happens all the time that a 1 or 2 or -1 or -2 handicap club player wins the qualifying round and is allowed to play the open. Sometimes the only other thing this person did was win a club championship locally then throw down 36 holes of stunner golf and beat a few pros in the process.
Had a guy about 40 years old I knew growing up do it. He played in high school and a minor college but didn't do pro. He got into the upper few spots of the qualifier and beat some pros and got to play in a PGA America event.
That IS beating a pro. No matter how you look at it. He was at the same qualifying event that contained card-carrying money making pros, and beat some.
If you want to jest for a minute, anyone can beat a "pro". Go challenge your local course's club pro to a round. Lol. That's your best shot. We used to play "dots" for $1 per dot every week. Birdie got a dot, sandie a dot, closest to pin on a par 3 got a dot, and we'd accept "calling your shot" for a few extra dots. Both the front 9 and back 9 ended on a par 5. We'd allow "pressing" on either if the person ahead in dots agreed.
That was great fun. Lost some money, won some money.0 -
Don't do Strava. Care to share? He didn't badmouth Teethgrinder did he? :shock:briantrumpet wrote:
Assuming this is the same person, all you need to know about him is that he's called Jay on this: https://www.strava.com/activities/709113892cougie wrote:He's now called boswell and something and being a muppet again on the forums.0 -
orraloon wrote:
Don't do Strava. Care to share? He didn't badmouth Teethgrinder did he? :shock:briantrumpet wrote:
Assuming this is the same person, all you need to know about him is that he's called Jay on this: https://www.strava.com/activities/709113892cougie wrote:He's now called boswell and something and being a muppet again on the forums.
He pretty much slated a 205 mile ride he did saying, "Cycling 200 mi at that power is easy" going onto say that only old people ride for endurance because they have more spare time (than a 17 year old? yeah right) and that riding 200 miles is more willpower than physical demand. When he got called out by other people he then reverted to the only thing a child is able to do, poorly formed insults and the overuse of the dreaded "C word" that you hear on Game of Thrones in every other sentence :roll: 0 -
LukeTC wrote:orraloon wrote:
Don't do Strava. Care to share? He didn't badmouth Teethgrinder did he? :shock:briantrumpet wrote:
Assuming this is the same person, all you need to know about him is that he's called Jay on this: https://www.strava.com/activities/709113892cougie wrote:He's now called boswell and something and being a muppet again on the forums. He pretty much slated a 205 mile ride he did saying, "Cycling 200 mi at that power is easy" going onto say that only old people ride for endurance because they have more spare time (than a 17 year old? yeah right) and that riding 200 miles is more willpower than physical demand. When he got called out by other people he then reverted to the only thing a child is able to do, poorly formed insults and the overuse of the dreaded "C word" that you hear on Game of Thrones in every other sentence :roll: Don't do Game of Thrones either. Cretin? 8) 0 -
Think of a wizard's sleeve and you'll get the ideaorraloon wrote:LukeTC wrote:orraloon wrote:
Don't do Strava. Care to share? He didn't badmouth Teethgrinder did he? :shock:briantrumpet wrote:
Assuming this is the same person, all you need to know about him is that he's called Jay on this: https://www.strava.com/activities/709113892cougie wrote:He's now called boswell and something and being a muppet again on the forums. He pretty much slated a 205 mile ride he did saying, "Cycling 200 mi at that power is easy" going onto say that only old people ride for endurance because they have more spare time (than a 17 year old? yeah right) and that riding 200 miles is more willpower than physical demand. When he got called out by other people he then reverted to the only thing a child is able to do, poorly formed insults and the overuse of the dreaded "C word" that you hear on Game of Thrones in every other sentence :roll: Don't do Game of Thrones either. Cretin? 8) 0 -
LukeTC wrote:orraloon wrote:
Don't do Strava. Care to share? He didn't badmouth Teethgrinder did he? :shock:briantrumpet wrote:
Assuming this is the same person, all you need to know about him is that he's called Jay on this: https://www.strava.com/activities/709113892cougie wrote:He's now called boswell and something and being a muppet again on the forums. He pretty much slated a 205 mile ride he did saying, "Cycling 200 mi at that power is easy" going onto say that only old people ride for endurance because they have more spare time (than a 17 year old? yeah right) and that riding 200 miles is more willpower than physical demand. When he got called out by other people he then reverted to the only thing a child is able to do, poorly formed insults and the overuse of the dreaded "C word" that you hear on Game of Thrones in every other sentence :roll:
So he thinks Steve Abrahm's rides are easy and all about the mental does he? He truly is the C word he loves so much.0 -
I don't 'do' Strava either, but the link is still viewable.orraloon wrote:
Don't do Strava. Care to share? He didn't badmouth Teethgrinder did he? :shock:briantrumpet wrote:
Assuming this is the same person, all you need to know about him is that he's called Jay on this: https://www.strava.com/activities/709113892cougie wrote:He's now called boswell and something and being a muppet again on the forums.
And the person he was trolling was Steve Abraham.0 -
^ Gave in and set up a strava login to view those comments. The boy sure is a k-nob right enough.0
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orraloon wrote:^ Gave in and set up a strava login to view those comments. The boy sure is a k-nob right enough.
I clicked the link for a read. I guess riding forums and comment sections have trolls also.
I'm less than a year into riding, ever. I looked at the troll's rides and it is nothing impressive whatsoever for him to have such a loud mouth. Strava "power" is crap versus a real meter, but the troll's 170w for 30 miles isn't exactly burning it up. Troll needs some big numbers to put up with his big mouth.
I don't care who you are, you ride 200 miles in a shot you get some kudos and a toast of the ale from me! Something I've never done. I love to see people achieve things that they didn't think they could do, or things I could never do myself. It's inspiring. Hell, if I know you locally and you did it I'd probably buy you a beer!0 -
burnthesheep wrote:orraloon wrote:^ Gave in and set up a strava login to view those comments. The boy sure is a k-nob right enough.
I clicked the link for a read. I guess riding forums and comment sections have trolls also.
I'm less than a year into riding, ever. I looked at the troll's rides and it is nothing impressive whatsoever for him to have such a loud mouth. Strava "power" is crap versus a real meter, but the troll's 170w for 30 miles isn't exactly burning it up. Troll needs some big numbers to put up with his big mouth.
I don't care who you are, you ride 200 miles in a shot you get some kudos and a toast of the ale from me! Something I've never done. I love to see people achieve things that they didn't think they could do, or things I could never do myself. It's inspiring. Hell, if I know you locally and you did it I'd probably buy you a beer!
A lot of it is petty jealousy. I ride a lot with people who do high mileage rides, one troll saw one of my 170 mile group rides ( myself and 4 others who were all on Strava) and started repeatedly 'flagging' the ride, and all other rides we did together. It's irritating as hell, but not too difficult to sort out. Some people are just idiots.0 -
b. 1998 wrote:
Professional cycling is very weak of a sport, very little or no reflexes, strength and agility etc is required. Of course im referring to road cycling, track cycling is more respectable.
- You're a troll
- Or you've never taken a MTB around a trail centre. I was a diehard road cyclist and never knew how much skill, balance, body positioning and shear balls is required with mountain biking until I got one. Comparing mountain biking to road cycling is like comparing apples to oranges.
- try cycling up a big big hill out the saddle tell me there's no strength involved"The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby0 -
ben@31 wrote:- try cycling up a big big hill out the saddle tell me there's no strength involved
For all the op's trolling, he did inadvertently make a fairly accurate observation about cycling being a 'weak' sport. Calling it 'weak' is probably a bit dumb, but it certainly isn't a sport where a lot of strength is required...0 -
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Now I think it would be a really great idea to have a thread discussing that. In fact, it's such an important issue, perhaps we should have multiple threads about it, re-occurring at regular intervals! Wouldn't that be great?Imposter wrote:ben@31 wrote:- try cycling up a big big hill out the saddle tell me there's no strength involved
For all the op's trolling, he did inadvertently make a fairly accurate observation about cycling being a 'weak' sport. Calling it 'weak' is probably a bit dumb, but it certainly isn't a sport where a lot of strength is required...0 -
bompington wrote:
Now I think it would be a really great idea to have a thread discussing that. In fact, it's such an important issue, perhaps we should have multiple threads about it, re-occurring at regular intervals! Wouldn't that be great?Imposter wrote:ben@31 wrote:- try cycling up a big big hill out the saddle tell me there's no strength involved
For all the op's trolling, he did inadvertently make a fairly accurate observation about cycling being a 'weak' sport. Calling it 'weak' is probably a bit dumb, but it certainly isn't a sport where a lot of strength is required...
I can't imagine what that would be like
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