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Probably her way of avoiding the Party lurching to the right.1
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Times articles are doing very well if they get two hundred comments, this week an article mildly questioning BoJo had over 3,000, so the Tories are playing the same game.kingstongraham said:I think the interesting thing about this is how the whole of the left wing twitter exploded claiming it was obviously photoshopped. The assumption is that everything must be fake because there's so much fakery. There's a photo on her own feed of her in odd shoes.
I remember once wearing two odd shoes. Not two left shoes admittedly
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Not in the foreseeable given the hard left have such a grasp on Labour.briantrumpet said:
For a long term Tory voter you are surprisingly anti-conservative Brian. Have you fallen on hard times recently and are looking for free money from JC?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
McDonnell told the BBC's Andrew Neil decisions would be made about party leader Jeremy Corbyn's future when the actual results were in.
It's in the BBC election page. Are you pleased Stevo?
What if McDonnell took over? Does that not worry you more than Corbyn?0 -
So far so good. Let's see what things are like in the morning but it is starting to look like my 3 quid was a great investmenttangled_metal said:McDonnell told the BBC's Andrew Neil decisions would be made about party leader Jeremy Corbyn's future when the actual results were in.
It's in the BBC election page. Are you pleased Stevo?
What if McDonnell took over? Does that not worry you more than Corbyn?
And why would McDonnell worry me? He's a Marxist leftietwat like Corbyn who would help them lose again next time."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I agree it's unlikely, as it stands. But the Tories would be a better party if they had a competent and viable opposition, so I live in hope.Stevo_666 said:
Not in the foreseeable given the hard left have such a grasp on Labour.briantrumpet said:
For a long term Tory voter you are surprisingly anti-conservative Brian. Have you fallen on hard times recently and are looking for free money from JC?0 -
Have a look at the link in my very first post that started this thread. Quote:briantrumpet said:
I agree it's unlikely, as it stands. But the Tories would be a better party if they had a competent and viable opposition, so I live in hope.Stevo_666 said:
Not in the foreseeable given the hard left have such a grasp on Labour.briantrumpet said:
For a long term Tory voter you are surprisingly anti-conservative Brian. Have you fallen on hard times recently and are looking for free money from JC?
"Some will consider this a cynical exploitation of Labour’s new electoral rules, as well as an opportunistic attempt to cash in on the party’s idiocy in putting Corbyn on the ballot. And they’d be right. But the way I look at it, we’d be doing the party a favour.
Okay, Labour won’t win in 2020, but then it probably won’t win anyway, even in the unlikely event of Liz Kendall becoming leader. But with Corbyn at the helm, Labour’s loss will be so catastrophic – so decisively humiliating – that the Left of the party might finally be silenced for good. The “debate” they want to keep on having in perpetuity might finally come to a close. We might even see a bit less of Owen Jones on the telly. That can only help Labour’s long-term electoral prospects."
"So sign up today. Make Corbyn leader, secure Boris’s victory in 2020 and, in the process, help transform Labour into a grown up political party."
Was I right or was I right? "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I just think McDonnell is more competent and less honest. He might move the party to be electable. I don't know what he's capable of but it worries me more than Corbyn did.Stevo_666 said:
So far so good. Let's see what things are like in the morning but it is starting to look like my 3 quid was a great investmenttangled_metal said:McDonnell told the BBC's Andrew Neil decisions would be made about party leader Jeremy Corbyn's future when the actual results were in.
It's in the BBC election page. Are you pleased Stevo?
What if McDonnell took over? Does that not worry you more than Corbyn?
And why would McDonnell worry me? He's a Marxist leftietwat like Corbyn who would help them lose again next time.0 -
Brexit policy is being seen as a key reason for Labour's poor showing. Shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer is a front runner for the leadership.0
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Only the cultists think that it’s only Brexit.TheBlueBean said:Brexit policy is being seen as a key reason for Labour's poor showing. Shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer is a front runner for the leadership.
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Well, it's certainly not what the opportunists think. They are out in good numbers tonight.rick_chasey said:
Only the cultists think that it’s only Brexit.TheBlueBean said:Brexit policy is being seen as a key reason for Labour's poor showing. Shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer is a front runner for the leadership.
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You wuz right.Stevo_666 said:
Have a look at the link in my very first post that started this thread. Quote:briantrumpet said:
I agree it's unlikely, as it stands. But the Tories would be a better party if they had a competent and viable opposition, so I live in hope.Stevo_666 said:
Not in the foreseeable given the hard left have such a grasp on Labour.briantrumpet said:
For a long term Tory voter you are surprisingly anti-conservative Brian. Have you fallen on hard times recently and are looking for free money from JC?
"Some will consider this a cynical exploitation of Labour’s new electoral rules, as well as an opportunistic attempt to cash in on the party’s idiocy in putting Corbyn on the ballot. And they’d be right. But the way I look at it, we’d be doing the party a favour.
Okay, Labour won’t win in 2020, but then it probably won’t win anyway, even in the unlikely event of Liz Kendall becoming leader. But with Corbyn at the helm, Labour’s loss will be so catastrophic – so decisively humiliating – that the Left of the party might finally be silenced for good. The “debate” they want to keep on having in perpetuity might finally come to a close. We might even see a bit less of Owen Jones on the telly. That can only help Labour’s long-term electoral prospects."
"So sign up today. Make Corbyn leader, secure Boris’s victory in 2020 and, in the process, help transform Labour into a grown up political party."
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Mission accomplishedStevo_666 said:What a fantastic idea
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11680016/Why-Tories-should-join-Labour-and-back-Jeremy-Corbyn.html
If this goes viral, for the measly sum of £3 each we can put Jeremy Corbyn in charge of the Labour party, consigning Labour to electoral oblivion for quite some time. Quite a few people need to register to make it work, as it says in the link:
"Could this actually work? That depends on how many Tories sign up. The size of the Labour leadership electorate is projected to be 240,000 or thereabouts, so quite large. Second preferences are redistributed and, assuming Liz Kendal’s eliminated first, followed by Yvette Cooper, I can’t see him getting many of those. To win, therefore, Corbyn would need to get close to 50 per cent of first preferences – quite a tall order, even in a party as bats**t crazy as Labour."
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"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Definitely an accurate prediction of the rise of cynicism in politics.0
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How about some thanks for saving you lot from 5 years of leftiebollox?kingstongraham said:Definitely an accurate prediction of the rise of cynicism in politics.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
By giving us 3 years of hearing it?Stevo_666 said:
How about some thanks for saving you lot from 5 years of leftiebollox?kingstongraham said:Definitely an accurate prediction of the rise of cynicism in politics.
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Will it be 5 years though? You can't trust the fixed term these days.
Am I wrong in thinking corbynistas have set up the more centrist among the leadership contenders up for the blame? It's not Corbyn it's Brexit. Who is Brexit in labour? Keir Starmer with the help of Yvette fielding. They're planning a hand off from Corbyn to someone from his side to keep the good fight going.
Can labour be so stupid?
In case I am right, keep the good fight from within labour stevo.0 -
How ungrateful...kingstongraham said:
By giving us 3 years of hearing it?Stevo_666 said:
How about some thanks for saving you lot from 5 years of leftiebollox?kingstongraham said:Definitely an accurate prediction of the rise of cynicism in politics.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They could. If you listen to senior Labour figures this morning, they are blaming everyone but themselves. It was Brexit (OK that was part of the reason but they chose to sit on the fence), it was the right wing media, it was Tory lies etc etc. Nothing to do with financial illiteracy, hard left policies or a leader unfit for high office.tangled_metal said:Will it be 5 years though? You can't trust the fixed term these days.
Am I wrong in thinking corbynistas have set up the more centrist among the leadership contenders up for the blame? It's not Corbyn it's Brexit. Who is Brexit in labour? Keir Starmer with the help of Yvette fielding. They're planning a hand off from Corbyn to someone from his side to keep the good fight going.
Can labour be so stupid?
In case I am right, keep the good fight from within labour stevo.
Keep it up lefties, we could do with another hard left Labour leadership "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think you may not have been the only one to infiltrate them Stevo as the talk this morning is that the Party membership is likely to try to get a new leader that shares Corbyn's ideology. They seemed to get the message in the 90s that UK voters don't want left wing socialism but the decision makers now seem intent on going that way.0
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Yep, the way they elect their leader means that this is highly likely (members eligible to vote contain a large number of activists/Momentum types/hard line union types). Add to they they are in denial about why they lost, as mentioned above.Pross said:I think you may not have been the only one to infiltrate them Stevo as the talk this morning is that the Party membership is likely to try to get a new leader that shares Corbyn's ideology. They seemed to get the message in the 90s that UK voters don't want left wing socialism but the decision makers now seem intent on going that way.
A Labour split would be a good way to round this off."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Much as it is funny to watch a group of people with limited grasp of the population unable to see why the lost. This does have wider consequences. The Tories have been given a mandate to deliver Brexit but also to improve public services and invest in them in line with their manifesto. We need a Labour party that look like a serious group of individuals that will hold them to this. Many of their new voters will not be giving their support in 5 years time if they cannot deliver the improvements they have promised. If they do however deliver the manifesto then it will be the centrist government the majority are looking for and Labour will be forced to fight another election on either an non electable left wing agenda or a very competitive middle ground and they will lose again. Contrary to popular belief the public are generally quite well informed on what is likely to work for the majority. It is not rampant winner takes all capitalism on the right and nor is it socialism on the left.0
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Not sure if you're referring to Cake Stop or the Labour party?john80 said:Much as it is funny to watch a group of people with limited grasp of the population unable to see why the lost.
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Are you sure that people think the Tories are going to invest in public services? that would be incredibly naive of them.john80 said:Much as it is funny to watch a group of people with limited grasp of the population unable to see why the lost. This does have wider consequences. The Tories have been given a mandate to deliver Brexit but also to improve public services and invest in them in line with their manifesto. We need a Labour party that look like a serious group of individuals that will hold them to this. Many of their new voters will not be giving their support in 5 years time if they cannot deliver the improvements they have promised. If they do however deliver the manifesto then it will be the centrist government the majority are looking for and Labour will be forced to fight another election on either an non electable left wing agenda or a very competitive middle ground and they will lose again. Contrary to popular belief the public are generally quite well informed on what is likely to work for the majority. It is not rampant winner takes all capitalism on the right and nor is it socialism on the left.
Why not mention that they have a mandate to erode workers rights?0 -
Well there's a pretty large fiscal stimulus already coming in the next 2 years, which will bring public spending back to 2010 levels in real terms.0
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And to introduce voter ID requirements to erode voting rights.surrey_commuter said:
Are you sure that people think the Tories are going to invest in public services? that would be incredibly naive of them.john80 said:Much as it is funny to watch a group of people with limited grasp of the population unable to see why the lost. This does have wider consequences. The Tories have been given a mandate to deliver Brexit but also to improve public services and invest in them in line with their manifesto. We need a Labour party that look like a serious group of individuals that will hold them to this. Many of their new voters will not be giving their support in 5 years time if they cannot deliver the improvements they have promised. If they do however deliver the manifesto then it will be the centrist government the majority are looking for and Labour will be forced to fight another election on either an non electable left wing agenda or a very competitive middle ground and they will lose again. Contrary to popular belief the public are generally quite well informed on what is likely to work for the majority. It is not rampant winner takes all capitalism on the right and nor is it socialism on the left.
Why not mention that they have a mandate to erode workers rights?
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We'll see!Dorset_Boy said:Well there's a pretty large fiscal stimulus already coming in the next 2 years, which will bring public spending back to 2010 levels in real terms.
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I see little acceptance amongst my Corbyn-believing friends that he and his message were a liability - it's Brexit, the mainstream media, and the electoral system that are to blame. I think they are happier being 'ideologically pure' and without power than compromising and getting elected. It doesn't bode well, unless you admire one-party states.Stevo_666 said:
They could. If you listen to senior Labour figures this morning, they are blaming everyone but themselves. It was Brexit (OK that was part of the reason but they chose to sit on the fence), it was the right wing media, it was Tory lies etc etc. Nothing to do with financial illiteracy, hard left policies or a leader unfit for high office.tangled_metal said:Will it be 5 years though? You can't trust the fixed term these days.
Am I wrong in thinking corbynistas have set up the more centrist among the leadership contenders up for the blame? It's not Corbyn it's Brexit. Who is Brexit in labour? Keir Starmer with the help of Yvette fielding. They're planning a hand off from Corbyn to someone from his side to keep the good fight going.
Can labour be so stupid?
In case I am right, keep the good fight from within labour stevo.
Keep it up lefties, we could do with another hard left Labour leadership
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-manifesto-antisemitism-brexitLabour was disastrously, catastrophically bad, an agony to behold. A coterie of Corbynites cared more about gripping power within the party than saving the country by winning the election. The national executive committee, a slate of nodding Corbynite place-persons, disgraced the party with its sectarian decisions. Once it was plain in every poll and focus group that Corbynism was electoral arsenic, they should have propelled him out, but electoral victory was secondary.
Should we laugh or cry at Corbyn’s announcement that he wouldn’t stand for another election? He should have gone before dawn. Any possible or impossible successor will clear out that Len McCluskey clique – Karie Murphy, Seumas Milne, Andrew Murray and others who propped up the old fellow to secure their own power base – with results worse than Michael Foot. Watch them try to divert blame onto “Corbyn-disloyalists”, remainers and ”Blairites”.0
