BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I think Boris had something similar in his speach regarding pigs?1
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That's the part that has happened already.mully79 said:Brexiters wanted a change to the political system. it certainly wont happen overnight.
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And that is why their should be an intelligence test before people are given the vote.mully79 said:Brexiters wanted a change to the political system. it certainly wont happen overnight. Current politicians and remainers still seem to think the vote was about Europe and illegal immigrants.
I utterly despair that somebody unhappy with their life would decide that could be rectified by changing the political system and that the people to do that just happen to be a bunch of old etonians.
I am pleased to say that inflation does not spare the poor so the dumb fvcks will reap what they sowed. And assuming they are more dependent upon the state than the average person they will be pleased to know that they have cost the Govt circa £40bn in lost revenues, Chuck in the actual cost of getting Brexit done and they have an easy answer for why there is not enough money to chuck around.2 -
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
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savagesurrey_commuter said:
And that is why their should be an intelligence test before people are given the vote.mully79 said:Brexiters wanted a change to the political system. it certainly wont happen overnight. Current politicians and remainers still seem to think the vote was about Europe and illegal immigrants.
I utterly despair that somebody unhappy with their life would decide that could be rectified by changing the political system and that the people to do that just happen to be a bunch of old etonians.
I am pleased to say that inflation does not spare the poor so the dumb fvcks will reap what they sowed. And assuming they are more dependent upon the state than the average person they will be pleased to know that they have cost the Govt circa £40bn in lost revenues, Chuck in the actual cost of getting Brexit done and they have an easy answer for why there is not enough money to chuck around.0 -
I think it gives an overall impression of being serious, which may well become a vote winner, but is boring enough that any attack lines around him being a rabid remainer won't really stick.0
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What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Here, have some free government money.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
Wilfully ignoring that it comes from taxes.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Didn't work for Corbyn and free broadband...pblakeney said:
Here, have some free government money.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
Wilfully ignoring that it comes from taxes.
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Corbyn made the mistake of saying he was going to put up taxes to pay for itJezyboy said:
Didn't work for Corbyn and free broadband...pblakeney said:
Here, have some free government money.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
Wilfully ignoring that it comes from taxes.
Boris's free stuff came with no bill attached0 -
So long as you ignore the NI hike.surrey_commuter said:
Corbyn made the mistake of saying he was going to put up taxes to pay for itJezyboy said:
Didn't work for Corbyn and free broadband...pblakeney said:
Here, have some free government money.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
Wilfully ignoring that it comes from taxes.
Boris's free stuff came with no bill attached1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
He specifically promised not to do that.rjsterry said:
So long as you ignore the NI hike.surrey_commuter said:
Corbyn made the mistake of saying he was going to put up taxes to pay for itJezyboy said:
Didn't work for Corbyn and free broadband...pblakeney said:
Here, have some free government money.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
Wilfully ignoring that it comes from taxes.
Boris's free stuff came with no bill attached0 -
Sleaze was hitting home. Anything that appears unfair, so Tories looking after Tories e.g. care homes. Not spending enough on the NHS and education is probably another.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
What doesn't work is banging on about Brexit or Boris inappropriately mentioning Peppa Pig.0 -
So how does an opposition attack the government on issues caused by Brexit or put forward an alternative* vision of post Brexit Britain?TheBigBean said:
Sleaze was hitting home. Anything that appears unfair, so Tories looking after Tories e.g. care homes. Not spending enough on the NHS and education is probably another.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
What doesn't work is banging on about Brexit or Boris inappropriately mentioning Peppa Pig.
Or highlight that the thing that Boris was elected to get done is not in fact done
Do they just not?
*Obviously I'm being generous here by suggesting this Gov has a vision“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Was free stuff in the manifesto that got Boris electedrjsterry said:
So long as you ignore the NI hike.surrey_commuter said:
Corbyn made the mistake of saying he was going to put up taxes to pay for itJezyboy said:
Didn't work for Corbyn and free broadband...pblakeney said:
Here, have some free government money.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
Wilfully ignoring that it comes from taxes.
Boris's free stuff came with no bill attached“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I'm still not clear that the sovereignty to decide our own 'sausage' rules is more important than the ability to buy and sell 'sausages' in 31 countries, worth sacrificing our 'sausage' industries for or having a 'sausage' border in the British Isles
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I think they don't unless competence and not being sleazy would lead to an obvious solution. Saying that Brexit was a mistake won't win seats.tailwindhome said:
So how does an opposition attack the government on issues caused by Brexit or put forward an alternative* vision of post Brexit Britain?TheBigBean said:
Sleaze was hitting home. Anything that appears unfair, so Tories looking after Tories e.g. care homes. Not spending enough on the NHS and education is probably another.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
What doesn't work is banging on about Brexit or Boris inappropriately mentioning Peppa Pig.
Do they just not?
*Obviously I'm being generous here by suggesting this Gov has a vision
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I thought Starmer was proposing how he would make Brexit work betterTheBigBean said:
I think they don't unless competence and not being sleazy would lead to an obvious solution. Saying that Brexit was a mistake won't win seats.tailwindhome said:
So how does an opposition attack the government on issues caused by Brexit or put forward an alternative* vision of post Brexit Britain?TheBigBean said:
Sleaze was hitting home. Anything that appears unfair, so Tories looking after Tories e.g. care homes. Not spending enough on the NHS and education is probably another.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
What doesn't work is banging on about Brexit or Boris inappropriately mentioning Peppa Pig.
Do they just not?
*Obviously I'm being generous here by suggesting this Gov has a vision
Bigger, Better, Brexit0 -
Easy to paint it as a remoaner wanting to start to unwind Brexit and accepting EU rules. Slippery slope.surrey_commuter said:
I thought Starmer was proposing how he would make Brexit work betterTheBigBean said:
I think they don't unless competence and not being sleazy would lead to an obvious solution. Saying that Brexit was a mistake won't win seats.tailwindhome said:
So how does an opposition attack the government on issues caused by Brexit or put forward an alternative* vision of post Brexit Britain?TheBigBean said:
Sleaze was hitting home. Anything that appears unfair, so Tories looking after Tories e.g. care homes. Not spending enough on the NHS and education is probably another.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
What doesn't work is banging on about Brexit or Boris inappropriately mentioning Peppa Pig.
Do they just not?
*Obviously I'm being generous here by suggesting this Gov has a vision
Bigger, Better, Brexit0 -
Saying what the masses want to hear and then blaming someone else when you can't deliver so that they seemingly never work out it is your fault.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
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I honestly do not think that the majority of people care that much or understand it that much. By saying nothing he allows the Tories to fill the void by claiming he was to rejoinkingstongraham said:
Easy to paint it as a remoaner wanting to start to unwind Brexit and accepting EU rules. Slippery slope.surrey_commuter said:
I thought Starmer was proposing how he would make Brexit work betterTheBigBean said:
I think they don't unless competence and not being sleazy would lead to an obvious solution. Saying that Brexit was a mistake won't win seats.tailwindhome said:
So how does an opposition attack the government on issues caused by Brexit or put forward an alternative* vision of post Brexit Britain?TheBigBean said:
Sleaze was hitting home. Anything that appears unfair, so Tories looking after Tories e.g. care homes. Not spending enough on the NHS and education is probably another.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
What doesn't work is banging on about Brexit or Boris inappropriately mentioning Peppa Pig.
Do they just not?
*Obviously I'm being generous here by suggesting this Gov has a vision
Bigger, Better, Brexit0 -
Meh, he can go for words to the effect of this being about making sure we draw a line under brexit and providing a stable starting point for our continuing relationship with the EU.kingstongraham said:
Easy to paint it as a remoaner wanting to start to unwind Brexit and accepting EU rules. Slippery slope.surrey_commuter said:
I thought Starmer was proposing how he would make Brexit work betterTheBigBean said:
I think they don't unless competence and not being sleazy would lead to an obvious solution. Saying that Brexit was a mistake won't win seats.tailwindhome said:
So how does an opposition attack the government on issues caused by Brexit or put forward an alternative* vision of post Brexit Britain?TheBigBean said:
Sleaze was hitting home. Anything that appears unfair, so Tories looking after Tories e.g. care homes. Not spending enough on the NHS and education is probably another.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
What doesn't work is banging on about Brexit or Boris inappropriately mentioning Peppa Pig.
Do they just not?
*Obviously I'm being generous here by suggesting this Gov has a vision
Bigger, Better, Brexit
Then maybe trying to reframe the argument as between wreckers and builders. Boris and his cronies haven't just failed to deliver a brexit that draws a line under the concept, they have wrecked the relationship with Brussels. He's a builder and will build a new relationship with the EU as us being an independent country.0 -
Starmer does not have it. If labour had balls they'd bin him off in the next 12 months and put someone electable in charge.
It would help that when people like Starmer say they want to help firms to make profits that party members don't go apoplectic.0 -
Who would you replace him with?rick_chasey said:Starmer does not have it. If labour had balls they'd bin him off in the next 12 months and put someone electable in charge.
It would help that when people like Starmer say they want to help firms to make profits that party members don't go apoplectic.0 -
Cummings seems to think Jess Philipps is electable and I think he might have a pointTheBigBean said:
Who would you replace him with?rick_chasey said:Starmer does not have it. If labour had balls they'd bin him off in the next 12 months and put someone electable in charge.
It would help that when people like Starmer say they want to help firms to make profits that party members don't go apoplectic.0 -
This surprised me, so I googled and found a tweet where he says she is too London centric. He thinks Labour needs a woman from the midlands. More like Nandy.rick_chasey said:
Cummings seems to think Jess Philipps is electable and I think he might have a pointTheBigBean said:
Who would you replace him with?rick_chasey said:Starmer does not have it. If labour had balls they'd bin him off in the next 12 months and put someone electable in charge.
It would help that when people like Starmer say they want to help firms to make profits that party members don't go apoplectic.0 -
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The answer is that it is very difficult to go to the electorate and be pro remain. The reason for this is essentially the flip of Brexit. We have left and therefore anything significantly less hard than what we currently have will come with conditions you can't get enough people to vote for.tailwindhome said:
So how does an opposition attack the government on issues caused by Brexit or put forward an alternative* vision of post Brexit Britain?TheBigBean said:
Sleaze was hitting home. Anything that appears unfair, so Tories looking after Tories e.g. care homes. Not spending enough on the NHS and education is probably another.tailwindhome said:
What is a vote winner?TheBigBean said:
Don't think it is a vote winner though and goes against his more sensible policy of staying clear of all things Brexit. Still, he is safe though, his speech won't get any news coverage because everyone is busy laughing at Peppa Pig references.tailwindhome said:From the speech Starner made yesterday- under the theme of 'Make Brexit Work'
What doesn't work is banging on about Brexit or Boris inappropriately mentioning Peppa Pig.
Or highlight that the thing that Boris was elected to get done is not in fact done
Do they just not?
*Obviously I'm being generous here by suggesting this Gov has a vision
If you transported kier into number ten at best he would spend a couple of months giving ground to individual or group EU nations for little to nothing in return based on his current rhetoric and a significant percentage of the population know this. Essentially Brexit is done and it is a management job of being seen to act in the best interests of the UK as after all it is this group that elects you.0